- Sep 13, 2007
No problem, just trying to help make a great mod better.
Besides I want to see an Irish Britain just to spite them.
Besides I want to see an Irish Britain just to spite them.
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mandead said:Well, it's up to you of course. This is why I try and not stray too far from history with alt. history sequences - you end up with a load of BS.
Well, quite.MattyG said:Everyone has their own idea of what constitutes BS.
Some people might think the non-horiginal-outcome options given in AGCEEP events (typcially action_b) is BS. Not me, but I can see whay they might think that. I think it's a matter of how expansive once sense of possibility is.
Well Eire and Wales start off as allies correct? So a Welsh King marries off his daughter to a Irish Prince (It's the O'Briens that are favoured in Interregnum right? (A pox on them)), fully expecting his young and virile self to be able to pop off a couple more of the screaming brats. Some grey hair and a nagging old wife later, proves him wrong and he casually decides he would like to kick the bucket around this time.Duckett said:I think Eire forming some sort of Gaelic union is quite a cool idea, perhaps spawned by the want to protect its similarly minded brothers in The Highlands when Scotland has it's revolts? (or want the want for an excuse to gain land anyway )
I can't think of why Eire would form a Britannia though, it seems like a strange idea to me, but I'm sure some clever person can come up with a wonderful story if they wish.
mandead said:Well, quite.
However, I think the AGCEEP's typical action_b is somewhat more plausible. After all, they represent an immediate - and usually obvious - alternative to an historical situation. Most if not all of Interregnum's content is complete fantasy, so the BS threshold is certainly closer to you.
Not that it's a bad mod, of course - quite the opposite; my point is simply that reality is left much further behind.
Avalanchemike said:Well Eire and Wales start off as allies correct? So a Welsh King marries off his daughter to a Irish Prince (It's the O'Briens that are favoured in Interregnum right? (A pox on them)), fully expecting his young and virile self to be able to pop off a couple more of the screaming brats. Some grey hair and a nagging old wife later, proves him wrong and he casually decides he would like to kick the bucket around this time.
Well Prince Patrick, son of Patrick, King of Ireland, decides it's high time to claim the throne in his young son's name (Also Patrick). Great and mighty Scotia decides to look on this move unfavourably, preferring for the Welsh to elect a King from the local nobles (Or some move of such) to keep the balance of power in the area.
Scotland and Ireland start a shouting match, which no one will win, and Ireland decides to enforce her claim with her wooden boot. A landing party in Wales (+10,000 Infantry + 4000 Cavalry) set up in shop, and Scotland begins to move her troops around, to crack merry old Eire in the jaw.
War breaks loose, York can choose to side with her master or have no part in what is viewed by much of the outside world as an unjust war. Maybe a break free option? Wessex remembers she is part of the island and can decide if she wants to help Ireland, likelier as she will want to snub Scotland for earlier, help Scotland not as likely but they may want to keep the balance of power too, or say screw them all, rise Britannia.
Ireland wins if Wales is free from Scottish hands (Or Wessex if they join against Eire) and they control Northumberland, Lancashire and Lothian. If York joined in and they control Yorkshire, they gain them as vassals. Scotland loses Lancashire to Eire.
Alternatively if Scotland wins (Controls all of Wales, maybe throw in Ulster just to show the Irish the Scots can and will kick their asses should it come to it?) They will gain an alliance with Wales, it will set off a new line of kings from the "local nobles" line.
If paradoxically Wessex fights both and wins (Controls Wales, and everything up Lothian) she can gain it all (Cept for Wales proper anyways.) (Fair bit of BB, but as most of it was once it's anyways so not a ton). We can toss in "Revival of England" events that allow York to join and have a revolt in London.
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MattyG said:Respectifully, I think the AGCEEP (and all other historically-based mods) are on the same BS level as Interregnum.
:rofl:MattyG said:...so get over your sense of superior historical accuracy.
It's not about being superior; the designs are completely different from the ground up, and I really don't understand your argument that these two mods in particular are on an equal footing in terms of historical accuracy (which, as you say, takes a back seat from the word 'go') - that struck me as a rather bizarre comment given the very nature of Interregnum.
Scotland controlling most of the island would be the impetus for them to form Brittania- that is to say, the state that is of Britain, and controls most of the Isle, would become Brittania, in a manner somewhat similar to OTL's Kingdom of Great Britain, altough with a different Union of Crowns (IE, probably just claiming the other crown after having subjugated London/Edinburough), and a tag-change to mark it.Duckett said:Ideas can change.
Perhaps the buffer state, if it is successful, will go on to conquer Scotland in a continued aggression?
I think Scotland needn't form a Britannia, it usually controls most of the island anyway... Though I do see your point, and it would be nice to see Scotland do something extravagant (I mean, other than sometimes controlling Norway ).