Idea Groups according to Quill18

[calvinhobbeslik]

Here are all the ideas (except those in the Plutocracy group), shown in these videos:
[video=youtube;r_1F4BesSsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_1F4BesSsE[/video] [video=youtube;mRU2kTvzlMo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRU2kTvzlMo[/video]

http://eu4wiki.com/National_ideas

 

[unmerged(584823)]

Yeah, at first I asked myself :'How can he does a 1 hour video about National Ideas, but no, it's about all the ideas.

 

[Tirenedon]

He's got a good point about the last Expansion idea. What if you are an Asian country?

 

[Red_warning]

I thought Quill had collapsed from EUIV-exhaustion for a moment there, since he hadn't uploaded an EU video for an entire day :excl:

 

[BoleslavLev]

It would be good to conquer all of Asia as Indian minor. Some more questions - what is an Asian country? What is an Asia (some say Europe ends at Ural, others at Königsberg - that is a big difference). What if a country is both in Asia and Europe? Is it European, Asian or both?

Also, I think defensive ideas are better than offensive ones, but that is just my opinion on the thing.

 

[Dutchling]

It looks like taking a military idea that is not Offensive is just plain stupid

Well, Defensive has some good ones but Offensive is just pure awesome. One of the few ideas that are good for any nation it it seems like.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Yeah, at first I asked myself :'How can he does a 1 hour video about National Ideas, but no, it's about all the ideas.

Well, there are a lot of nations with unique ideas, certainly more than 15, so those would take even longer...

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

It would be good to conquer all of Asia as Indian minor. Some more questions - what is an Asian country? What is an Asia (some say Europe ends at Ural, others at Königsberg - that is a big difference). What if a country is both in Asia and Europe? Is it European, Asian or both?

Also, I think defensive ideas are better than offensive ones, but that is just my opinion on the thing.

Who thinks Asia ends at Kaliningrad?

 

[BoleslavLev]

I still don´t like it so much. For me, it will probably be defensive+quality. When we are at it, can you abuse force march? Click the button and day after reaching the province cancel it, then click it again and so forth?

 

[Pinpinolo]

Text please? Like i said before, my internet doesn't like videos.

EDIT:Werp, Didn't see the wiki link. Should really read into stuff. 'facepalm'

 

[I_AM_King_Midas]

I still am insure about te balance between ideas an technologies. It seems like if u were playin a nation like Portugal, you would want to he lots of diplomacy ideas.he talked about needing to focus on technology though.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Text please? Like i said before, my internet doesn't like videos.

I posted a link to the wiki.

 

[BoleslavLev]

Who thinks Asia ends at Kaliningrad?

It is more modern view of Europe. Greeks and Romans had similar opinion. The thing is, the border on Ural really is far from Europe. It was installed by Czarica Catherina the Great - so there were political reasons. Border I mentioned should be from Kaliningrad to I think Odessa, it is the thinnest point of the Europe between seas on the east.

 

[Cymsdale]

It looks like taking a military idea that is not Offensive is just plain stupid

Well, Defensive has some good ones but Offensive is just pure awesome. One of the few ideas that are good for any nation it it seems like.

Right. I can't see any nation who wants to be serious about military not taking offensive. All those bonuses are like being many tech levels ahead of any competition without them.

 

[justin6477]

Who thinks Asia ends at Kaliningrad?

I seem to recall someone mentioning that the Dnieper (?) was thought of as one of Europe's borders. Between it and the Memel (which runs alongside Kaliningrad), you'd have as close to a solid line as you can get.

 

[Pinpinolo]

Not really a fan of the sequential system the NIs seem to have. Would much rather they be branching or something.

Also, I read on the Facts thread that certain trees like quality/quantity won't be exclusive. Wha?

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Not really a fan of the sequential system the NIs seem to have. Would much rather they be branching or something.

Also, I read on the Facts thread that certain trees like quality/quantity won't be exclusive. Wha?

Why would they be exclusive? You can conceivably make your troops better AND get more troops, though that costs you in other areas, of course.

 

[Dr. Dan]

Why would they be exclusive? You can conceivably make your troops better AND get more troops, though that costs you in other areas, of course.

And the wonderful point being that you still have an opportunity cost, especially if you double up on military ideas. You then need to give up spending points on military tech (or ignore your ideas).

 

[Badger Baron]

It would be good to conquer all of Asia as Indian minor. Some more questions - what is an Asian country? What is an Asia (some say Europe ends at Ural, others at Königsberg - that is a big difference). What if a country is both in Asia and Europe? Is it European, Asian or both?

If it's anything like EU3 (which it probably is), Asia starts somewhere slightly west of the Urals, and an Asian country is a country that has its capital in the Asia region. Thus the Russian Far East isn't up for grabs, because the territories are ruled by a European power, but if for example Japan had colonized it they would be.

Not really a fan of the sequential system the NIs seem to have. Would much rather they be branching or something.

This system is growing on me to some degree, but I agree, branching would be cooler.

Also, I read on the Facts thread that certain trees like quality/quantity won't be exclusive. Wha?

I don't really see the problem here. While it might initially sound really weird, that's only really if you look at them as diametrically opposed concepts. If you just look at them as a country deciding that it needs to spend more effort on training its men, and then even more effort again on training more, it makes sense. Same for offense/defense, where both combined is the country expending great effort into creating a flexible force.

 

[Opera]

Doesn't Unam Sanctam only allows you to get CBs on religions outside Christianism if you're a christian nation? Quill said it gave you a CB against orthodox and protestant nations but as far as I know, Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism (and others) are in the same group, so there wouldn't be a CB on them.