Idea for hypothetical Byzantine revamped idea

[theauthor]

I kinda wish if Roman somehow managed to rise itself back again they should be an even greater threat than Ottoman considering how very unlikely that would happen so here's my idea

Tradition : -10% advisor cost
+3 Tolerance of true faith (unchanged)
First idea : 5% Discipline
Second idea : +1 Missionary
+3% Missionary strength
Third idea : 10% national manpower modifier
+5% goods production modifier (unchanged)
Fourth idea : +10% national tax modifier
-25% core creation cost
Fifth idea: -10% stability cost modifier
+2 max promoted culture
Sixth idea : +1 Merchant
+10 Global trade power
Final idea : +1 yearly prestige
Ambition : +33% land limit modifier.

Spoiler

Tradition : -10% advisor cost
+3 Tolerance of true faith
(Good tradition but not particulary helpful for Byzantine starts until you start your expansion so i keep it in since Byzantine at the start shouldn't be powerful yet)
First idea : 5% Discipline
25% National manpower modifier
Second idea : +1 Missionary
+3% Missionary strengh
Third idea : +20% national tax modifier
-25% core creation cost
Fourth idea: -25% stability cost modifier
+2 max promoted culture
Fifth idea : +1 Merchant
+10 Global trade power
Sixth idea : +2 yearly prestige
+2 yearly legitimacy
Final idea : +1 diplomat
-25% agressive expansion
+10 administrative efficiency
Ambition : +50% land limit modifier.

It's overpowered but hey you have to survive Ottoman first before you can reap the reward.

Edit: changed because it's too bonkers, the first ones in spoiler. Byz need more unique flavor anyway rather than powerful ideas.

 

[st360]

This game has enough buffs.

 

[Reni Malaj]

Joke?

 

[bokorthedust]

Final idea : +1 diplomat
-25% agressive expansion
+10 administrative efficiency
Ambition : +50% land limit modifier

I think these are the ones that anchor it being a well balanced, not at all ridiculous idea set.

 

[theauthor]

I think these are the ones that anchor it being a well balanced, not at all ridiculous idea set.

I intentionally make them bonker overpowered since it will take a miracle for Byzantine to not only survive but regain it's territory so i kinda want it to reflect the impossibility of Byzantine situation and as an ai they wouldn't have lucky nation advantage.

I just like the idea of minor doomed nation with strong overall idea but with not as good starting tradition since they shouldn't survive long enough to use their overpowered idea.

 

[Elu Thingol]

Well, if you survive that far, you dont realy need it either.

I'm all for better NI for Byz, and maybe some unique goverment, and a better mission tree (which might give like 5 % adm eff, like other end-tags), but this is just bonkers.

 

[theauthor]

Well, if you survive that far, you dont realy need it either.

I'm all for better NI for Byz, and maybe some unique goverment, and a better mission tree (which might give like 5 % adm eff, like other end-tags), but this is just bonkers.

Well i suppose if it's that bonkers.

Tradition : -10% advisor cost
+3 Tolerance of true faith (unchanged)
First idea : 5% Discipline
Second idea : +1 Missionary
+3% Missionary strength
Third idea : 10% national manpower modifier
+5% goods production modifier (unchanged)
Fourth idea : +10% national tax modifier
-25% core creation cost
Fifth idea: -10% stability cost modifier
+2 max promoted culture
Sixth idea : +1 Merchant
+10 Global trade power
Final idea : +1 yearly prestige
Ambition : +33% land limit modifier.

I think it should still be very powerful at least from what i checked from other poweful ideas nations. Byz need more flavor from goverment and events anyway but i'm not sure what.

 

[Zaddy]

I get finding Byzantium neat, but...

 

[Elu Thingol]

Well i suppose if it's that bonkers.

Tradition : -10% advisor cost
+3 Tolerance of true faith (unchanged)
First idea : 5% Discipline
Second idea : +1 Missionary
+3% Missionary strength
Third idea : 10% national manpower modifier
+5% goods production modifier (unchanged)
Fourth idea : +10% national tax modifier
-25% core creation cost
Fifth idea: -10% stability cost modifier
+2 max promoted culture
Sixth idea : +1 Merchant
+10 Global trade power
Final idea : +1 yearly prestige
Ambition : +33% land limit modifier.

I think it should still be very powerful at least from what i checked from other poweful ideas nations. Byz need more flavor from goverment and events anyway but i'm not sure what.

I'm not realy bothering checking up other nations NI atm, but i gues that something like that could work in theory.

The thing i'm realy seeing is the desire to stack dual bonuses, when for example +1 merchant usualy is considered "enough".

But as i said, if Byz should be improved, i think goverment/missions/events are the way to go.

At the end of the day it's still a widely unhistorical tag, for some idea worshiped by a large fanbase.

 

[currylambchop]

Well i suppose if it's that bonkers.

Tradition : -10% advisor cost
+3 Tolerance of true faith (unchanged)
First idea : 5% Discipline
Second idea : +1 Missionary
+3% Missionary strength
Third idea : 10% national manpower modifier
+5% goods production modifier (unchanged)
Fourth idea : +10% national tax modifier
-25% core creation cost
Fifth idea: -10% stability cost modifier
+2 max promoted culture
Sixth idea : +1 Merchant
+10 Global trade power
Final idea : +1 yearly prestige
Ambition : +33% land limit modifier.

I think it should still be very powerful at least from what i checked from other poweful ideas nations. Byz need more flavor from goverment and events anyway but i'm not sure what.

Maybe remove the promoted culture, CCR and the trade power and we‘re golden. perhaps Removing the missionary as well.

 

[theauthor]

Maybe remove the promoted culture, CCR and the trade power and we‘re golden. perhaps Removing the missionary as well.

That would basicly Byzantine idea but reshuffle with 1 extra merchant and stronger ambition. :v

Ottoman can get -20% core creation cost and max 2 promoted culture in one idea why not Byz? I'm more leaning with reduction culture conversion cost but from the idea flavor it seems the future Byzantine are supposed to have more delegated authority compared to the old Roman.

 

[LazySiege]

Byz has not bad ideas and on top of that realy nice cores you can get.
Only problem is to manage the start, but thats not so hard.

With the idea you describe it would be easy to do a WC with them, even easier as it already is.
So i would also go for improve the starting condition a bit, perhaps make it easier for them to get one big alliance.

After you win the first war against ottomans its easy going normaly.

 

[Blust]

So OP it's not even funny

 

[adin85]

Boring

 

[currylambchop]

That would basicly Byzantine idea but reshuffle with 1 extra merchant and stronger ambition. :v

Ottoman can get -20% core creation cost and max 2 promoted culture in one idea why not Byz? I'm more leaning with reduction culture conversion cost but from the idea flavor it seems the future Byzantine are supposed to have more delegated authority compared to the old Roman.

The stronger ambition is super good and don’t need CCR. Force limit basically increase The army by almost a third.

 

[theauthor]

The stronger ambition is super good and don’t need CCR. Force limit basically increase The army by almost a third.

The Ambition is i basicly copied from Ottoman. Ottoman is powerful and they have -20 CC and 33% Force limit so why not Byz?

Although come to think about it maybe Byz should have more contrast from Ottoman by focusuing on quality? Either use Roman idea of 15% force limit and 10% inf combat ability or 20% inf combat abilities like Sweden and Prussia and i will also move inf combat abilities to idea with the ambition become +1 prestige instead

 

[currylambchop]

The Ambition is i basicly copied from Ottoman. Ottoman is powerful and they have -20 CC and 33% Force limit so why not Byz?

Although come to think about it maybe Byz should have more contrast from Ottoman by focusuing on quality? Either use Roman idea of 15% force limit and 10% inf combat ability or 20% inf combat abilities like Sweden and Prussia and i will also move inf combat abilities to idea with the ambition become +1 prestige instead

CCR is the most powerful idea and Byzantium wasnt that successful so they don’t really deserve it

 

[MK1980]

The Ambition is i basicly copied from Ottoman. Ottoman is powerful and they have -20 CC and 33% Force limit so why not Byz?

Although come to think about it maybe Byz should have more contrast from Ottoman by focusuing on quality? Either use Roman idea of 15% force limit and 10% inf combat ability or 20% inf combat abilities like Sweden and Prussia and i will also move inf combat abilities to idea with the ambition become +1 prestige instead

rome has infantry combat because their legions were primarily infantry armies and they were the backbone of their empire.

if anything, byz would rather have cav combat bonus considering that the first thing everyone thinks of when they hear byzantine military is the cataphract heavy cavalry.

 

[theauthor]

rome has infantry combat because their legions were primarily infantry armies and they were the backbone of their empire.

if anything, byz would rather have cav combat bonus considering that the first thing everyone thinks of when they hear byzantine military is the cataphract heavy cavalry.

Well from Byzantine idea there is one that called the new imperial army(5% discipline) so i guess it would make sense they would rebuild their catapharact.

In addition if they expand into anatolia they would have gain access for Turkish cavalry so i guess it make sense for them to have an idea that gain 15% cav combat ability. Probably would put it in the third idea.