IC vs Division costs (agian)

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So You think it's ok to give some countries an IC of 1, (and for example a ridicoulously low IC of all chineese countries), and at the same moment not lower the IC req for divisions? well if for example US built a division it was more expensive than bulgarian, polish, greek, tannu tuvian etc., upkeep was higher (they ate more expensive food, erned more money, parts were more expensive), well you get the picture ;-) IC in this game is not JUST THE historical industrial capacity, but is meant to reflect the capabilities of deploying armies and supplying them, war in china engaged many many people, and seeing Communist China having 1 IC made me laugh loud :rofl: I'm not saying they were industrial superpower, but how the hell did they raise, equip, supply, and bring to strenght all their div's with 1 lousy IC that is impossible nor is supplying them from the beginning of the game, not mentioning building more, so IF you don't change every single countrys divisions costs, don't just go plain-history-book-redrawing-of-industry either. That makes game less historic... and most of all unplayable (don't just go with your "some countries didn't count, as for china it won't work in asia)

 

[Lothos]

Considering the Chinese army was not supplied by its country but had to forage I think you need to do a little more research. China COULD NOT supply its army. But historical facts are historical facts, China and Communist China survived because of foreign aide and not because of home built supplies.

and yes 1 LOUSY IC is more than enough to supply the entire communist starting army.

I think you need to read a history book that has not been edited by the Chinese goverment!

 

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OMFG 1 IC. Does China ever not get defeated?????????????????????????

 

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China COULD NOT supply its army. But historical facts are historical facts, China and Communist China survived because of foreign aide and not because of home built supplies.

So what IC would you give North Vietnam during the Vietnam War?

 

[Lothos]

Different time period would have to research it but since this game does nto cover that era there is no point.

You guys forget one major thing. china has about 15 IC or so which is more than enough to supply their army because they start the game with Guerilla Line Doctrines. Stoped thinking in Vanilla terms please as TRP is NOTHING like Vanilla.

And in short if you cant handle historical facts then play another mod. I will not bend on this as it was the best way to get historical accuracy in those theaters.

 

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Considering the Chinese army was not supplied by its country but had to forage I think you need to do a little more research. China COULD NOT supply its army. But historical facts are historical facts, China and Communist China survived because of foreign aide and not because of home built supplies.

and yes 1 LOUSY IC is more than enough to supply the entire communist starting army.

I think you need to read a history book that has not been edited by the Chinese goverment!

Don't get me wrong, I DO like Your mod. I DO like destroying Germany playing Poland in '36

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Yes You're right. Historically they (CHC, CHI, etc.) were receiving supplies (I don't read in chineese ), but this game is less complicated than reality, allows less actions, and is not a history book which means that SOV's (or other potential weapon supplier) most of the game just won't care about me, and anyway wouldn't playing Your way mean depending on events (that would have to be created) which supply and equip me?

Other thing is that in reality its money that really count (AND IC). American IC is not a Chineese IC. It's worth more $, but doesn't reflect capabilities of growing armies. While in this game everything only needs IC, and CHC div cost= US div cost,<- thats crazy if You cut CHC IC to 1. I repeat what I wrote in the beginning: IC wasn't meant to (ideally) reflect industrial power, but capabilities to raise armies (US 1 CAV =/= CHI cavalry in cost terms, so US/CHC IC difference can be smaller than in reality), as this game is all about war. I just don't think its historically more correct any country to have its developement forbidden because of its starting 1 IC. Imagine how long would it take for China to reach its todays power (or during Korean war (yeah I know what You are going to say, it's all about SOV's again. well don't think 20-30(?) IC that CHC had then would be enough -in game terms-, DESPITE SOV help (360IC? I don't remember, but whole SOV IC didn't go to CHC) to stand against UN= US+UK+some minors, (1000IC?+) not mentioning tech advantages. Experience was on both sides).

OK I've read what I wrote and I imagine its not easy to understand, so I'll shorten it here:
Please don't ever go below 5 IC! . OK now I go waste Germany with Poland