Iam sick of this. what am i doing wrong?!

[Star_Wolf]

I play VV tried it out. started as rome from the begning and manged to create the entire western roman empire(beside gaul). here is the situation, only a 3 province carthage and a insolent numidia with it's 32 div's army stand agaisnt my entire army in africa(more then 200 div's). i attacked carthage(the province) with 40 div's(they had only 18) and numidia army with more then 70 div's. all my armies have all the mixes of troops beside elphents. and i keep losing. i mean even my 17 div's army lost to a 6 div's army of carthage allie. altough all my commanders have +7 martial skills. and i outnumber my enemy and i have bigger dice rolls!.

here is another thing, every flamsy barb army(even small ones like 10 div's) is slaughtering my vetran legions with no problem. i mean they kill my army at 8.1 ratio even tough i have a bigger dice(bigger dice in a war with carthage also) in each and every battle, iam talking about even 2000 millitia braking the morale of my entire 20 div's legion!. but i keep losing. this situation ticks me off! iam so mad at the game i just quited... i can't stand that. i keep losing land battles i need to horde massive armies to beat alot smaller ones. my land tech is also the highest in the world+ i had millatry reforms which gives me considrble bonuses. also i have the blessing of mars omen . i have every reason to win and yet it's extremely hard and nearly impossible to achive victory.
i play on normal, and the AI is screwing my armies bad. what am i doing wrong?
i might also add that this problem occured only from VV. in the vanila i had no such problems.

 

[ElectricEel]

Are you forgetting to adjust your military mainteinance? If you have it at a low value your armies will have very low morale and will get their ass handed to them in battle. The same applies to fleets.

 

[unmerged(58102)]

What is your military maintenance level?

I agree, supporting over 200 cohorts is expensive, even for Rome. Could you have accidentally changed the army's setting to 0. I've done that before. When one views a battle, the opposing army morales are shown. If your army's morale is all green, your troops are grumbling about something. There is nothing that raises troop morale as receiving back pay owed them.

 

[Vandelay]

Note that in VV your consul, army- and tech-advisor martial skills has a large impact on army and navy discipline and morale. Enough to be decisive in close fought battles. When at war appoint high martial army and navy techies!

 

[Star_Wolf]

Are you forgetting to adjust your military mainteinance? If you have it at a low value your armies will have very low morale and will get their ass handed to them in battle. The same applies to fleets.

Nope never tauched the maintnce slider.
iam just losing bad, seems always like iam about to win, enemy morale almost brake, while my morale stays max. and all the sudden boom. my morale snaps and i lose the battle. what ticks me off is that it's 2k millitia who beats my 10 chororts HI. with a high martial skill legate.

Please explain? it's been like this seince VV. does the AI have some buffs? cause i play paradox games seince EU1. and i know the mechanics and stuffs that governs the game. i never encoutred anything like this.

another thing i should sort out is that at the begning i kicked ass, manged to conquer\colonise the entire historical borders of Western roman Empire. and now i can't finish off carthage and numidia, after i brought them to their knees in previous wars.

 

[Nikolai]

Do you use militia or real infantery?

 

[Star_Wolf]

Do you use militia or real infantery?

This is the combo of a Legion i make:

10 HI
2 Millitia
4 Archers
and how also
2 Equitis

some times i merge 2 legions. as you can see i have good mixer of units, most of my importent battles i send my high martial generals. i dont understand. i even envelop, attacking from number of provnices. seems like nothing give's me the edge.

also i dont understand, my northen borders keep swallow entire armies i build. if it keeps up like this my man power will be zero(atm i have 65k). my entire northen border is manned by 3 major armies with 20 chorots(like the combo above) each, and yet every 10-12 barb armies devoure my entire army, winning almost every time by a 10.1 ratio and completly destroy my armies(which iam forced to build new ones again and again). they dont get a higher dice, nor a higher martial skill by their general. once a single 14 chorts army of barbs defeted 3 of my main northen armies and ravged and pilliged all the way to rome with nothing to stop it.
even my 3 armies combied couldnt stop it. am i missing something? is the 4th and 5th century arrived where barbs started to kill rome? take for example the barbs in dacia area, my 5 cohort army destory every barb army throwed at him(sometimes even 14+ cohorts army). how can you explain what is happening to me?
iam so pissed right now i can't continue my game casue 3 provnice carthage and numidia screwing my 200+ army in africa with less then 40 cohorts...

 

[Nikolai]

What are your tech level compared to other countries? You find it one page 2 or 3 in the ledger. If it's not maintenance, tech inferiority or lack of good leaders, I can't see what should be causing this. I know my VV games haven't had this problem(and I've had a few).

 

[Star_Wolf]

What are your tech level compared to other countries? You find it one page 2 or 3 in the ledger. If it's not maintenance, tech inferiority or lack of good leaders, I can't see what should be causing this. I know my VV games haven't had this problem(and I've had a few).

I alredy mention my tech(all of them) are supirior to all the countries.

 

[monsterfurby]

This is actually something I noticed as well, on normal difficulty. Playing on easy and very easy, it is not that much of a problem, but on normal and higher, battle turnouts are rather ridiculous. My army of 12000 facing off against a 3000-man army with basically identical tech and general stats. Suddenly I start losing around 150 troops per day, while damage inflicted is about 20 troops - with dice rolls and stats adding up almost equally. Et voila, I take about 10k losses. Wasn't there a fix for the somewhat odd numbers of losses?

 

[Scipio Aemilius]

Nope never tauched the maintnce slider.
iam just losing bad, seems always like iam about to win, enemy morale almost brake, while my morale stays max. and all the sudden boom. my morale snaps and i lose the battle. what ticks me off is that it's 2k millitia who beats my 10 chororts HI. with a high martial skill legate.
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another thing i should sort out is that at the begning i kicked ass, manged to conquer\colonise the entire historical borders of Western roman Empire. and now i can't finish off carthage and numidia, after i brought them to their knees in previous wars.

This is actually something I noticed as well, on normal difficulty. Playing on easy and very easy, it is not that much of a problem, but on normal and higher, battle turnouts are rather ridiculous. My army of 12000 facing off against a 3000-man army with basically identical tech and general stats. Suddenly I start losing around 150 troops per day, while damage inflicted is about 20 troops - with dice rolls and stats adding up almost equally. Et voila, I take about 10k losses. Wasn't there a fix for the somewhat odd numbers of losses?

I had the exact same thing happening as Egypt. I was at war with Seleucids and Carthage, my stacks containing 10 HI, 5 A and 5 E, was chasing a 5,5k of carthaginian scums (I already won a victory over them), 20 vs 5,5... They killed something like 12k and I was merely able to dispose of 10% of that (1,2k)!!! Even vs Seleucids, high morale, full maintenance, the battle seems to go well, and then BOOM, morale disapears and my armies running away like little girls to be overrun in the next province... Great!

 

[Star_Wolf]

Ok 2 annoying as hell things i just noticed and iam pretty sure they are bugs.

1) i have max morale but when the battle engaged my army start with half full morale. that's the cause for my lost battles(it's happing all over the map)

2) i destory enemy army, alsmot whiping them off the face of the earth, they reatret i chaes them(outnumbring them hugly and half a morle) only to find out they gaind all their morale(just like that! happend in 1 day!) and destorying my army. and iam not talking about winning, iam talkcing about actully destroy my army inflicting huge loses...(even tough they had like 1k vs my 12k) the enemy on reatret shouldt get the morale so fast...he get it full just right after the fight and it's impossible to win. i dont mind losing and fight another day, but with my man power at zero...each battle is critical. beside i dont remeber Rome losing so much!
well maybe in the 4th century on...

did you notice those bugs?

 

[Scipio Aemilius]

Yup, I'm pretty sure I did, except point 1. I always have as high morale as my ennemy, but mine drops at the speed of light. And it's true the enemy regains it faster than me.

 

[ForzaA]

Ok 2 annoying as hell things i just noticed and iam pretty sure they are bugs.

1) i have max morale but when the battle engaged my army start with half full morale. that's the cause for my lost battles(it's happing all over the map)

Quite possibly, not a bug, but rather reflecting the fact that their base morale (through leadership of all sorts, technology etc. etc.) is higher than yours.

ie. your full morale *is* only some percentage of theirs, which is reflected by the morale bars.

the second I'd love to see a save of. (since if it is as you say it is, it does sound like a bug)

 

[Scipio Aemilius]

Ok, maybe I exagerated, but I've seen the two extremes, from my 30k army anihilating a 15k ennemy in one single battle, to a 20k army being butchered by a 5,5k (with equal leaders, good mix of troops, full maintenance, even with a 20% bonus discipline to all heavy infantry, etc).

I'll see if I can make a save for the morale thing...

 

[Hohenstaufen]

This is the combo of a Legion i make:

10 HI
2 Millitia
4 Archers
and how also
2 Equitis

some times i merge 2 legions. as you can see i have good mixer of units, most of my importent battles i send my high martial generals. i dont understand. i even envelop, attacking from number of provnices. seems like nothing give's me the edge.

Might it be that the barren Numidion provinces simply can't handle such large armies? I wouldn't be surprised if your troops simply died of attrition.

 

[Scipio Aemilius]

Might it be that the barren Numidion provinces simply can't handle such large armies? I wouldn't be surprised if your troops simply died of attrition.

It would affect the number of troops over a month or two, but morale shouldn't drop because of it...

 

[Star_Wolf]

Might it be that the barren Numidion provinces simply can't handle such large armies? I wouldn't be surprised if your troops simply died of attrition.

Also, barbs are killing me. and as i said iam not talking about losing battles. iam talking about 15k barb millitia whiping from the face of the earth my vetran legion of 20k(HI mostly and archers +cavarly). supirior martial skill for my legate, supirior terrain for the defenders(me). and iam sick of this.

 

[Enewald]

You're lucky!
I am playing rome and I have every 5 years a civil war because the Populists rule and everytime some event fires both options give populists more senatorial seats. :wacko:

I can't even touch Carthago for it is uber rich and control whole n-africa.