I had hope they'd do something with plots for getting people out of prison/ sex slavery. But no, plots are still useless if you don't want to kill anyone.
It would be a far better way of preventing blobing than coalitions. It would expand roleplay and it would make you weaker for no reason. If you add a prestige penalty for captured daughter or unrelolved feuds or something like that you make that type of war attractive for minmaxing players too.
I still remember when I was still new to CK2. I was playing shattered world, had formed a pretty large empire and a guy in the Baltic area had taken my daughter as a concubine. I checked to see if I could declare a war on him to free my daughter or request he release her, only to find there was no such option. I was so shocked that I consoled in a claim to his primary title so I could declare war on him. I was planning on capturing and executing him once I won and then granting the kingdom independence under one of the native landholders so it'd just be like I fought a war to kill him and save my daughter rather than take his kingdom. I then stupidly raised my entire military and attempted to march 45,000 troops across pagan homeland to go kick that guy's butt for making my daughter his sex slave. Being so new to CK2, I didn't realize that attrition was so bad and only had 5,000 troops by the time I got to the King and in short time he completely destroyed my 5,000 troops. Now having completely failed that war, having huge negative opinion penalties for having had my vassals troops raised for so long, and having no troops I could raise of my own because they had just all died in an ill fated mission to save my daughter; a gigantic independence faction broke out and an equally huge faction to put his brother on the throne had broke out as well. I still remember how much fun that moment was because it was very RPG like, that Emperor had wasted state resources trying to free his daughter from captivity and failed miserably. I will always look fondly upon these events because it was so realistic and it was something you'd see in history, a disgruntled emperor who tries to do anything he can to get his daughter back from the heathens even marching his entire army in an ill fated expedition to their deaths. I ended up abdicating in favor of the emperor's brother, who the game had me switch to playing as well, and everyone in the empire had a much higher opinion of his brother and with renewed support from his vassals the new emperor was barely able to quell the revolt that almost destroyed the entire empire. If they just added a better focus on expansion-less wars, there'd be less expansion as people try to deal with other things besides doing the only option currently available. And an introduction of far more sophisticated internal management couldn't hurt either
And this is exactly what makes CK2 great. And with each change to the game we are losing a bit from it.I still remember when I was still new to CK2. I was playing shattered world, had formed a pretty large empire and a guy in the Baltic area had taken my daughter as a concubine. I checked to see if I could declare a war on him to free my daughter or request he release her, only to find there was no such option. I was so shocked that I consoled in a claim to his primary title so I could declare war on him. I was planning on capturing and executing him once I won and then granting the kingdom independence under one of the native landholders so it'd just be like I fought a war to kill him and save my daughter rather than take his kingdom. I then stupidly raised my entire military and attempted to march 45,000 troops across pagan homeland to go kick that guy's butt for making my daughter his sex slave. Being so new to CK2, I didn't realize that attrition was so bad and only had 5,000 troops by the time I got to the King and in short time he completely destroyed my 5,000 troops. Now having completely failed that war, having huge negative opinion penalties for having had my vassals troops raised for so long, and having no troops I could raise of my own because they had just all died in an ill fated mission to save my daughter; a gigantic independence faction broke out and an equally huge faction to put his brother on the throne had broke out as well. I still remember how much fun that moment was because it was very RPG like, that Emperor had wasted state resources trying to free his daughter from captivity and failed miserably. I will always look fondly upon these events because it was so realistic and it was something you'd see in history, a disgruntled emperor who tries to do anything he can to get his daughter back from the heathens even marching his entire army in an ill fated expedition to their deaths. I ended up abdicating in favor of the emperor's brother, who the game had me switch to playing as well, and everyone in the empire had a much higher opinion of his brother and with renewed support from his vassals the new emperor was barely able to quell the revolt that almost destroyed the entire empire. If they just added a better focus on expansion-less wars, there'd be less expansion as people try to deal with other things besides doing the only option currently available. And an introduction of far more sophisticated internal management couldn't hurt either
It's kind of like they're trying to intentionally ruin CK2. Especially since they refuse to take the communities opinion into account, just grab the very general concept of our ideas.
This is all very accurate. I gave the patch an honest go. I tried to play a full campaign, but could only make it from 769 to about 1250. The patch just completely ruins the game to the point where I never want to play it again with those features. I feel like the people who are defending the patch haven't even played very extensively with it, since the majority of them talk rot about "never encountering a coalition" and crap like that. If someone plays the game for at least 100 years then they'll have to have encountered at least one coalition. Unless they're playing as a merchant republic and only taking cities or something strange.
Yesterday I decided to roll back to the pre-Conclave patch. First time I roll back in the three years I have this game. And having fun again. No more shattered armies coming back at me, no more having to deal with the 6th Increase power revolt in my rulers lifetime, and I can implement medium crown authority forcing my vassals to stop fighting.
while fun it somehow misses the spark. was hoping mods would help out .
