I want to kill that taxcollector.. die die die

[unmerged(4290)]

One of the most frustrating things for me in EU was the inability to clear any improvements(!) made in the province. You can't demote your tax collector, hmmm, I guess the he has the back-up of the emperor.. When I play as Turkey or any other multi-religion empire; it becomes not the source of money but endless headaches from revolts, simply a pain in the ass... Oh and since you can't destroy them, when you have to leave the town for the enemy they come to a full province.. Paradox, hear me ...

 

[Rex Francorum]

But you could ask to your Tax collectors to be more friendly with population

 

[unmerged(3408)]

Promote him. That will solve your problem.

 

[unmerged(4290)]

Promote him. That will solve your problem.

promote who? how? why? when? .

 

[unmerged(4735)]

Originally posted by erdem
One of the most frustrating things for me in EU was the inability to clear any improvements(!) made in the province. You can't demote your tax collector, hmmm, I guess the he has the back-up of the emperor.. When I play as Turkey or any other multi-religion empire; it becomes not the source of money but endless headaches from revolts, simply a pain in the ass... Oh and since you can't destroy them, when you have to leave the town for the enemy they come to a full province.. Paradox, hear me ...

i try to view the promotions as the creation of an infrastructure rather than a single person. getting rid of the traditions and institutions that you've created is very hard. there's a quote from an american president, reagan, "Nothing is closer to immortality than a government program"

 

[unmerged(4944)]

You could privatise them, same revolt level, but the money goes into the private sector.

 

[draco]

One thing that ha always bothered me is the fact that when you conquer a province that all officials remain. I don't think if I conquered Baden that I would let the same people remain in power it doesn't make sense.

 

[unmerged(4944)]

You haven't read your machiavelli well then,
shoot 10%
sack 20%
and give the remaining 70% a pay rise
problem solved
(and i didn't get past page 5)

 

[Zagys]

Upgrading legal counsels to chief judges lowers revolt risk.

 

[draco]

First of all Chapter six deals with newly aquired principalities by force.

This man abolished the old soldiery, organized the new, gave up old alliances, made new ones; and as he had his own soldiers and allies, on such foundations he was able to build any edifice: thus, whilst he had endured much trouble in acquiring, he had but little in keeping.

this is in regards to Hiero the Syracusan. As you can see to make sure he remained in power he did away with the old. So as you can see machiavelli was all for getting rid of them. Plus it usually is a bad idea to leave some of them around to start a revolt. Now there is a slightly different way of dealing with a principality acquired threw means other than force or trickery.

 

[draco]

Please don't try my Machiavellie.

 

[unmerged(4944)]

Well, he was wrong then, under his method you get a lot of humiliated, dispossesed, unemployed power/warrior/leadership type people who have to go somewhere. Under my method they are assimilated with status, wealth and job security and at the back of their mind, a reminder of what happens to dissidents. Sounds a lot more machiavellian.

 

[draco]

Well, he was wrong then, under his method you get a lot of humiliated, dispossesed, unemployed power/warrior/leadership type people who have to go somewhere. Under my method they are assimilated with status, wealth and job security and at the back of their mind, a reminder of what happens to dissidents. Sounds a lot more machiavellian.

Who said they would live. But seriously you would want them to governing you province?

 

[Carolus Rex]

Yeah sure why not.

 

[draco]

Well let me explain the logic aganist it. First they probably despise you because you conquered them through force "Different approach when not conquered or gained through trickery." Second they most likely be more inclined to look the other way now and then. The citizen would look to them if the tried to break away as leaders such as they were before your conquest. there is a chance they don't speak your language. The are not familiar with you laws and customs. They remind people of a time before your rule. The have governed without you so they could deal without you and try to raise a puppet ruler to power. The could make the principality run badly just to distress you.
These are a few reason why you wouldn't want them in power.

 

[unmerged(3408)]

He he. Leave it to draco to play EU with the "The Prince" as his guide. I must differ to draco on this matter. In this time period most peasants didn't know who was their king or have any concept of modern "nationalism." This means they wouldn't feel any great love to you or their former masters.

This changed as the EU period progresses. However, making a few examples of some and bribing the others to your side is a time tested tactic.

 

[unmerged(5222)]

Compromise

Maybe as a compromise then, we can choose what to do with the officers of the city. You know, have a pop-up when you win a province say with options:

Kill Officers
Keep and Bribe Officers
Retire Officers with Full Pension

Then maybe for each type of province, you'd have different effects. If you say Kill Officers ad choose to Kill Tax Collector only - maybe the province will get a revolt risk bonus that can counter nationalism!! Or maybe easier to toggle the nationalism %altogether and let that be the impact.

Of course, if this was the type of game, we could then choose HOW to kill the officers and have screen-shots of the event. maybe even get a hand and torturing the officer, say - lob off arm first, then pull out toe-nails, then stick chakri in whatsit - hey, maybe different nations get different torture devices! I heard the Chinese ones are really cool!

 

[Owl]

EU S&M

I don't think I want the torture scenes thanks.

But it might be interesting to have an "atrocity option" when you capture an enemy city. Maybe a random event - your troops run riot and there's a massacre - or a deliberate decision to burn the city and plough the fields with salt. In either case there would be a serious impact on your reputation and an unpredictable effect on the morale of your troops and the enemy.

 

[Owl]

Sorry, didn't quite finish that thought.
I was going to explain that the purpose of burning or looting the city or killing the tax officer would be to weaken the enemy and delay their recovery. You'd do this to a city before giving it up as part of the peace negotiations ... not the one with the CoT that you wanted to keep.

 

[draco]

Well, another non-Machiavellie reason to get rid of corrupt province management I don't think the English would have allowed the French administrators to keep their positions.