As of Utopia, Xenophobes will be the only ones who can purge. But some of your people will hate it as not all of your people will be Xenophobes.
If you're not willing to engage in a little bit of violent oppression, don't play the bad guys.
I want Racial purity? Does that make me evil?
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As of Utopia, Xenophobes will be the only ones who can purge. But some of your people will hate it as not all of your people will be Xenophobes.
If you're not willing to engage in a little bit of violent oppression, don't play the bad guys.
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- Full Citizenship: Species with full citizenship are fully integrated populations in your empire. They have the right to vote in democracies and can become leaders of all types. You are also forbidden from enacting population controls on them.
- Caste System: Species with a caste system have a mix of full citizenship and slavery, with pops working in the farms and mines being enslaved and the rest being free to enjoy the fruits of the serfs' labor.
- Limited Citizenship: Species with limited citizenship are tolerated but not integrated populations in your empire. While not enslaved, their right to vote and stand for political office is curtailed, and you can place population restrictions on them and restrict them from being able to settle on your core worlds (more on that below).
- Slaves: Species with this setting are all enslaved without exception. They have no rights whatsoever and live under the most squalid of conditions.
- Undesirables: Undesirables are species that you do not wish to exist in your empire. Depending on your purge policy this can either mean that you mean that you target them for extermination, or just try to drive them off from your worlds (more on that below).
The purge types are as follows:
- Extermination: The species is systemically killed off by any means available. This is the fastest form of purging, but pops subject to it are unable to produce any resources while they are busy dying off.
- Displacement: The species is driven away through the use of forced resettlement and destruction of their homes. Displaced pops will not be killed, but rather will attempt to flee the empire to other, more welcoming empires, and might even try to settle uncolonized planets. This process is slow, but generates less outrage among other empires than the other forms of purging.
- Forced Labor: The species is placed in camps and forced to do hard labor under brutal conditions with inadequate food and shelter, effectively working them to death. Pops doing Forced Labor will be killed off more slowly than through extermination, but will continue to produce minerals, food and (at a significant penalty) energy.
- Processing: The species is processed into food for the consumption of other Pops. Pops being Processed generate a fixed amount of food and die off at a fairly fast pace, but cannot be put to use producing any other resources.
- Neutering: The species is prevented from reproducing through chemical castration or biological modification, eventually dying off naturally. Neutered Pops continue to function normally and may even be given a high standard of life, but have a large penalty to their happiness. The speed at which they die off varies based on the species' natural lifespan, but is typically very slow.
I am most fond of conformist trait. I have conformist on most of my custom species. I want my people to collectively hate the "other group", not the other way around of hating the government.
'i think its bollocks, bring back purge tolerance...'
why would you formulate a petition if you're just making a historical statement about 1.2 - 1.4
Then you're going to hate the new faction system in 1.5 and Utopia.
My insect empire agrees. Our massive Screk empire encompasses eleven different species. Everyone stays put on their liberated, vassalized, and then integrated worlds thanks to prohibited migration. Colony ships will be drawn up from our new "citizens" (no voting in the Screk Empire) as needed for suitable habitable planet colonization. We Screk are the majority species at 364 out of a 941 pop empire and that trend will continue. We may be collectivist but at least we don't enslave? So that's a plus. Maybe.
When you call it "racial purity," that makes it sound evil because of the IRL connotations, but we're not talking about race. These are distinct species we're talking about, and boy-howdy do those disturbing little space geckos need to be squashed.
And in a multicultural, xenophile, egalitarian and most of all tolerant interstellar civilisation within a galactic federation, why would that surprise you? With a lot of aliens, there is always going to be at least a few aliens within your government. And that's their good right as you're a member of the federation.
Just use the console to tag-switch to the other federation members, and you will notice how they have a similar amount of diversity in their population and leadership. By being xenophile egalitarians you basically signed up for this.
If you don't like this, then take the Change Ethics mod from the workshop, dissolve the federation once you're president, change the xenophilia to xenophobia and then isolate humanity completely. Purge the aliens from your core worlds, or maybe designate slave worlds for them to fuel the war machine you're certainly going to need now. PS: Yes, this will end a golden age of prosperity and peace for all federation members including you, but you don't seem too eager on it staying that way anyways.
I never claimed to be xenophile, just egalitarian, not fanatic egalitarian, just the vanilla version. To quote some really bad people throughout history, "Everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others."
Glad to see a like minded species, and not enslaving people is definitively a plus.
To be fair, base humans are neither intelligent or thrifty either, and I accept the challenge your Iron Cabbage Dominion represents, we Netraxi value our own, unaided power. We have no need of pathetic metal crutch's, our bodies are weapons, and soon our minds will be even more dangerous ones.
Yeah, just don't make choices that'll lead to that. You can still be a friendly empire without signing immigration treaties with everyone. With Utopia you'll get even more control over this. Every way of thinking has their pros and cons. As much as it might pain some people the "progressive" attitude has it's own problems to tackle. In many ways it's harder than going xenophobe/pacifist and ignoring everyone.
Even as 100% pure Fanatic Xenophobe there are ways to create a galaxy where every one else can thrive without having to purge anyone. I look forward to Utopia, where we can brand them as undesirables, give them a colony ship and exile them.
With Utopia, you could have a situation where you begin as an egalitarian empire, but through some events, it could become an authoritarian empire ruled by another species, and you could choose to purge all of your old species. Possibly entirely different flag, name and civics. Extreme makeover fun! Talk about influence sinks.
I look forward to Utopia, where we can brand them as undesirables, give them a colony ship and exile them.With Utopia, you could have a situation where you begin as an egalitarian empire, but through some events, it could become an authoritarian empire ruled by another species, and you could choose to purge all of your old species. Possibly entirely different flag, name and civics. Extreme makeover fun! Talk about influence sinks.
Since I already got a warning for this once, I'm not going to post this video directly... But. Go to youtube, write "you are a nazi" in the search bar, play the first video that pops out. Then think about your life. XD
This is science fiction. But being in a Star Trek Federation and saying such things... meh
This is a rather clumsy comparison. Your people and the aliens simply have a complete freedom of movement, meaning that aliens settled on Earth and that humans decided to go in other worlds.
It's more like the internal migration within the European Union (which still represents the majority of the immigration in EU - I don't know for you guys, but talking about an "immigration crisis" is very connotated in my countries, it's a term generally used by xenophobe or protectionnist politicians). We are talking about different species moving freely inside a space federation, here. And federations, while not necessarily xenophiles, are not meant to be played in a xenophobe way. You can't have both, and I think even in Banks you won't really be able to form a federation if you don't allow for some freedom for other species. At least no purging.
However, in Banks, as you'll be able to change your empire ethics you might totally switch to xenophobe, leave the federation and purge the aliens. I doubt your population (who lived with aliens for a long time) will appreciate that, though.
I really wonder how a Fanatic Xenophobe + Egalitarian empire will be like in 1.5 Banks?
Bigot or not, the most "non-grimdark" Sci-fi imply that any "Homeworld" is populated mostly by its native species no matter politics\migration\Federation etc. the species is in. So seeing a POPs leaving 100% habitable world for something less that Gaia with migration attraction bonus is strange.
i personally always tend to have multispecies empires, where every species fills a role
my starting species rules and researches, while i either find or create a species to do the heavy lifting and do the same for energy production
all others if they are adequate in one way or another can stay alive, but will never ever have the ability to hold office or stuff and those who are inadequate will have to wait until my empire is undefeatable to be eradicated (or since 1.5 to be displaced) because i like to run an efficient house <3
my starting species rules and researches, while i either find or create a species to do the heavy lifting and do the same for energy production
all others if they are adequate in one way or another can stay alive, but will never ever have the ability to hold office or stuff and those who are inadequate will have to wait until my empire is undefeatable to be eradicated (or since 1.5 to be displaced) because i like to run an efficient house <3
Yeah, but base humans are fast learners, and that's actually better in the early game than longevity. Not that I'd let either of your jokers take a leadership position in my society.
I look forward to using all of my mechanical tools while you, with your unaided power, scowl from the surface of your worlds waving your unaided claws and teeth up at the ships bombarding you back into the stone age that appreciates the very strong and naturally long lived.
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I had a different problem with migration treaties. I was Alpine preference and terraformed many planets for it. I signed migration with continental and desert species because I wanted them to populate them. Instead, they moved to my alpine planets and they are really unhappy... It's the main reason why I rarely play pro-Xenos. Not my fault if they can't choose the right planet for them