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Arizal

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I'm pretty sure it wasn't supposed to happen like that, but the "mini"-crisis came full blown while I was far less ready than in previous Stellaris iterations. My fleet battled almost to exhaustion, but I was on the losing side of this war. My alloy production wasn't enough to replace my ships and, slowly but surely, my economy was collapsing under the strain.

I eventually won two major battles against the Khan. In the second one, the guy died, but not before stealing to me a three habitable planets system. I was on my last ropes, thinking of retreating to a more defensible position, but I saw the event "succession crisis". Still, the Horde was as healthy as ever.

And then, I had an event establishing a "new" khanate (actually the second my troops were retaking my three planet system). To my surprise, this khanate was not at all hostile to me and was considered economicaly very weak, since he had only three planets.

I thought it would be sort of okay to let them keep my planets, but be my vassals. As if they were recognizing my greatness and I was granting them, after an hard war, a planet for them to live on.

And so, the New Dorbolan Khanate and the Union of Endrilian Worlds buried the war hatchet and entered in this new partnership.

I sold them like 1 unit of exotic gas per month in order for them to become obedient vassals. They only wanted a planet (or 3) to live on.

Still, is something like that WAD?
 

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First, you title is misleading, you didn't vassalize Khan.
Second, succesor states are regular empires which can be interacted with just like any other. Including vassalizing/tributizing.
 

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Yeah, the Successor Khanates are usually very weak, because they're comprised of a random grab-bag of the Khanate's possessions at the time of dissolution. I've seen successor states with 0 (!) planets, living entirely off of space-borne resources. They basically have to build from scratch without the scripted Khanate fleets, and do...poorly.
 

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First, you title is misleading, you didn't vassalize Khan.
Second, succesor states are regular empires which can be interacted with just like any other. Including vassalizing/tributizing.

Well, sorry for being "misleading". It was the first time I saw that, and I was under the impression the ruler of a khaganate was still a khan. After a thorough exam (in the game), it is the case. My vassal is called "Khan Sassodem cur'Padarn".

In essence, I was asking myself (and other players) if the khaganate shouldn't start with a relationship malus, or if it would be okay to keep things as they are.
 

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Hey, I managed to pull off the same basic thing tonight!

Big war, and then kill the Khan, and get the successor Khannate. They were actually rated Superior/Pathetic/Superior in Military/Economy/Tech compared to me even on spawn, but their economy was still so week they got classified as "Pathetic" overall anyways.

And the +100 Relative Strength of Empires that resulted made them have enough points towards it for me to diplomatically vassalize them.

To see if this could work if I didn't immediately do so, I loaded a save created right as they formed as the Successor Khannate and explored an alternate scenario. After 1 month passed, border friction kicked in, and that was a -45 relation, but selling them like 40 Motes for +100 relations smoothed that out and again let me vassalize theme. Their fleet power seemed to have improved over the course of the month - a reinforcement event, perhaps? (Don't know). The relative power gap was still large, but slightly smaller.

After 2 months, the relative power gap had fallen enough that they couldn't be vassalized at all, and they fleet power was Overwhelming.


Anyways, this isn't my first time vassalizing a successor Khannate; I did it too in one of the 2.0 or 2.1 versions. But that time it was years later, as their strength as an empire was diminished from years of war with their neighbors whittling down their once greater strength.

Whereas this time I was able to pull it off immediately thanks to my massive economic edge on them.

I guess I'll rationalize it that even the crazy Dwamak-basher finally realized that their was more profit in working with me than against me when they saw how I had killed their Khan and how wealthy the United Nations were.
 

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I just didn't bother fighting them since I have enough to do with the insane population growth micro. They ended up conquering a quarter of the galaxy and then formed a democracy after the khan's death, asking me into their federation which I accepted out of curiosity. Sure enough their economy is garbage but they're the only other power in the galaxy that has actual fleets.
 

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I've seen successor states with 0 (!) planets, living entirely off of space-borne resources.

I thought that was impossible and the very fact they got a planet was why they were able to become a real empire. Usually, when you steal its last province from an empire, it dissolves. How does war goes with such a planetless empire, then?
 

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I thought that was impossible and the very fact they got a planet was why they were able to become a real empire. Usually, when you steal its last province from an empire, it dissolves. How does war goes with such a planetless empire, then?

Their planet may have revolted, but I can't say I've ever seen one without planets aside from when it spawns the immortal Khan before it becomes a normal empire.
 

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I thought that was impossible
Oh believe me it is quite possible:
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