I think I finally understand better on how air war works

[Cavalry]

Can someone explain on the scenario: Fighter + CAS vs (Fighter + CAS). How many air battle are there: fighter vs fighter? CAS vs fighter? or is it figher +CAs vs fighter + CAS.

Thanks.

 

[Harin]

I wish we could escort our Allies' bombers. One thing that really annoys me.

Totally agree. Allies and the player need some mechanics built into the game so they coordinate things like this, supply, and just about everything else a person can think of.

 

[I had a bad name 99]

Can someone explain on the scenario: Fighter + CAS vs (Fighter + CAS). How many air battle are there: fighter vs fighter? CAS vs fighter? or is it figher +CAs vs fighter + CAS.

Thanks.

What is the bracket for?

 

[Harin]

Can someone explain on the scenario: Fighter + CAS vs (Fighter + CAS). How many air battle are there: fighter vs fighter? CAS vs fighter? or is it figher +CAs vs fighter + CAS.

Thanks.

@Cavalry, we can always count on you to ask the tough questions that most of us did not even know needed to be asked. We need help from @bitmode, no doubt.

From reading the Wiki:

The planes of each sortieing wing are allocated against enemy wings proportional to their visibility (against all wings for damage and only against ground missions for disruption).​

This is the only line I can find in the Air Combat section that may, and I say may loudly, give a clue to the answer of your question.

From this clue it appears to me that there is the Air Battle Phase of (fighter + CAS) vs (fighter + CAS), then a Disruption Battle Phase that is (fighters) vs (fighters on air superiority mission "escorting" + CAS).

Hopefully, @bitmode will see this and set me straight. I am unclear how the individual air wings are allocated against enemy wings. Does this allocation result in many small fights or are they aggregated into one large combat result?

 

[bitmode]

From reading the Wiki:

The planes of each sortieing wing are allocated against enemy wings proportional to their visibility (against all wings for damage and only against ground missions for disruption).
This is the only line I can find in the Air Combat section that may, and I say may loudly, give a clue to the answer of your question.

From this clue it appears to me that there is the Air Battle Phase of (fighter + CAS) vs (fighter + CAS), then a Disruption Battle Phase that is (fighters) vs (fighters on air superiority mission "escorting" + CAS).

It depends on how you define "phase". The wiki page uses it in the sense described in the introductory paragraph. The three sections of the page correspond to the three phases. All countries involved in a strategic region complete one phase before the next phase happens. So all wings of all countries apply damage and disruption values to the respective enemy wings, but the effects (loss of planes, reduced ground missions) only occur in later phases.
Between the calculations of damage and disruption, there is nothing that would change the latter based on the former.

I am unclear how the individual air wings are allocated against enemy wings.

The allocation is based on detected enemies, as described in the first half of the section. Let's say the enemy sent 200 bombers on close air support mission and 200 escort fighters. Due to mission efficiencies of 100% and 80% respectively, only 200 bombers and 160 fighters really take part in the air combat on the enemy's side.

Let's say our detection is 20%. As the enemy fighters are escorting, they are fully visible, i.e. we see 160 fighters:

If the enemy side includes both ground missions and superiority fighters, the latter will be fully visible. The fighters and bombers don't need to be from the same enemy country.

As the bombers are on CAS mission their visibility gets doubled:

Planes on close air support mission are twice as visible.

and then multiplied by 20% visibility. So the effective visibility of the bombers is 80.

From these numbers two things are clear:

We can sortie at most (160+80)*3 = 720 planes for air-to-air-combat:

At most three times as many own planes can attack as enemies are visible

And two thirds will attack the escort fighters while one third will attack the bombers:

The planes of each sortieing wing are allocated against enemy wings proportional to their visibility

Let's say we have six 100-sized fighter and heavy fighter wings of varying experience doing air superiority and two 200-sized CAS wings doing, well, CAS. First the fighter wing with the most experience would attack:

Air wings sortie in descending order of air attack and agility against detected enemies

67 of those fighters would attack the enemy escort fighters, 33 attack the bombers.
Then the other fighter and heavy fighter wings do the same. Finally 120 CAS would attack, 80 against fighters, 40 against bombers. This ensures that as few ineffective planes as possible use up the limit of 720 planes.

Does this allocation result in many small fights or are they aggregated into one large combat result?

I think one large combat would describe it better, similar to one battle on land.

 

[Harin]

Thank you @bitmode!

 

[SophieX]

It is now the war of factories....

This is always the key for long-term wars

 

[I had a bad name 99]

This is always the key for long-term wars

That's why Germany lost the defense of Reich. The massive industrial armaments of the US Eighth Air Force were key to turning the tide.

 

[SophieX]

That's why Germany lost the defense of Reich. The massive industrial armaments of the US Eighth Air Force were key to turning the tide.

Yes, but not the only reason