I somehow managed this

[Peanutcat]

Title says it all

I managed to get my tech cost to 181 monarch points.

 

[Enewald]

Nice Ostfront.

 

[IIWW]

Ideas -70%. Mil points are useless now that harsh treatment is worthless, so You just get what You canhave to dump them.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I don't consider harsh treatment to be worthless. You can get it pretty inexpensive at times and get to the point where spending 50 MIL is enough to straight up prevent a rebellion that is a good chunk of your FL, in oddball cases more than your FL, permanently because the nationalism peters out then.

But that's for fringe cases like "Day 0 DoW on Byzantium as Cyprus". Which, by the way, is a winnable fight unlike with the Knights due to your extra income + capacity for ships.

 

[Panzerschiffe]

What is that toolbar mod at the bottom?

 

[Pilon23]

Not trying to one-up you since I was far behind in tech unlike you, but I also had several super cheap techs after westernizing!

Unfortunately I took tech 18 without taking a screenshot first, but I believe I had another 5% neighbour bonus and that the tech cost in the region of 30 ADM points

Edit: Yup, 30 ADM points for sure. I think that is the lowest amount possible since I believe tech is capped at 5% cost of total.

 

[josh127]

I don't consider harsh treatment to be worthless. You can get it pretty inexpensive at times and get to the point where spending 50 MIL is enough to straight up prevent a rebellion that is a good chunk of your FL, in oddball cases more than your FL, permanently because the nationalism peters out then.

But that's for fringe cases like "Day 0 DoW on Byzantium as Cyprus". Which, by the way, is a winnable fight unlike with the Knights due to your extra income + capacity for ships.

It's also useful when you're trying to finish up cores and just need to buy a few months. Starting as a western nation is weird because I have those MIL points sitting around and even wasting 300 of them on harsh treatment to stop those russians from rising up is not a problem.

And the day 0 DoW on Byzantium is really annoying when you get a shock 3 general and then lose the first fight because they show up before your 4th unit has been built. :angry: Not that I've tried it any more or anything...

 

[Peanutcat]

What is that toolbar mod at the bottom?

This one

 

[IIWW]

I don't consider harsh treatment to be worthless. You can get it pretty inexpensive at times and get to the point where spending 50 MIL is enough to straight up prevent a rebellion that is a good chunk of your FL, in oddball cases more than your FL, permanently because the nationalism peters out then.

But that's for fringe cases like "Day 0 DoW on Byzantium as Cyprus". Which, by the way, is a winnable fight unlike with the Knights due to your extra income + capacity for ships.

Every meachnism is useful in specific situations, but in general HT is much less important than before. I used to HT on ca 1/4 provinces I conquered, now I'm using it basicly when I'm closed to cap the MIL and have 100%+ ahead of time mil tech penalty.