It seems to me a contradiction fighting a war against a HRE with the Emperor involved in the war defending the HRE member, and then after making peace -accepted among the others by the Emperor-, being requested 20 days after to give back the province by the Emperor...
I shouldn't get 'unlawful territory' if the Emperor was involved in the peace deal
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I knew asking for a more human-like AI was a mistake.
Gotta admire the realism though.
Gotta admire the realism though.
If you can beat the Emperor in a war then you can probably dismantle the HRE anyway. Ally all the electors that aren't allied to the Emperor, DoW, occupy everyone and then dismantle. You can now blob into the former Empire without consequence.
But yeah, it's stupid. A truce with the Emperor blocks you from removing a province from the HRE, it should also block demanding unlawful.
But yeah, it's stupid. A truce with the Emperor blocks you from removing a province from the HRE, it should also block demanding unlawful.
I don't see why beating the emperor in a war should make him any less unhappy about you holding the territory.
As for an easy solution to the problem: You can avoid it by being at war with anyone (such as opm native american) until you finish coring it.
As for an easy solution to the problem: You can avoid it by being at war with anyone (such as opm native american) until you finish coring it.
It doesn't make the Emperor any less unhappy, you just beat into him into submission until he realizes the error of his choosing to demand unlawful territory.
And he is letting all the HRE members know what a jerk you are for doing it, makes perfect sense.
Yeah but they will have a hard time laughing while they are freezing in their palaces that have had their walls blown to bits by you and are sending their entire treasury to yours.
I don't mind the emperor's ability to demand the unlawfully taken land for all to hear. What I do mind is the inconsistency. The AI emperor can do it when he has a truce, but he wont if you are at war with someone else. Why? You being in another war to presumably take even more unlawful land means he's not allowed to tell the world you are a jerk? Ridiculous.
Chill. They made a few additions to general HRE mechanics and created a minor inconsistency with patch 1.22
Report it to the bug or suggestions forum if you want it to behave the same way. You'd be the first one to do so.
Report it to the bug or suggestions forum if you want it to behave the same way. You'd be the first one to do so.
I apologize if that came off as rude or angry. I in no way meant it seriously.
While I've noticed the inconsistency and would ideally like for it to not exist it doesn't bother me at all. The addition of "ridiculous" was aimed at how the story would appear in universe for the emperor in a roleplaying sense, not at the implementation of the AI or PDX's efforts.
I hope that helps clear things up
While I've noticed the inconsistency and would ideally like for it to not exist it doesn't bother me at all. The addition of "ridiculous" was aimed at how the story would appear in universe for the emperor in a roleplaying sense, not at the implementation of the AI or PDX's efforts.
I hope that helps clear things up
It's not about being unhappy.
He just got beaten and accepted the peace deal under which the provinces were passed to me.
Demanding them back 20 days after makes no sense to me.
Was the Emperor the war leader? If not, you didn't negotiate with him and he didn't "accept" the peace treaty -- the war leader did.
I think the Emperor should be able to do so, but only if Authority is 10 or more. If you then refuse the province they loose a whopping 5 for it. After all, the Emperor just proved that they were trying to abuse the laws of the Empire for their own selfish benefit and to break the terms of the truce.
Alternatively, the Emperor demanding the land and it being conceded results in a neutralisation of the truce one-way (the Emperor is still truced, the attacker is free) as the terms have been violated and the land seized back.
Just give me some consequences for the Emperor trying to abuse his position damnit! If I can be forced to suffer malus after malus with the princes and unrest out the wazoo, why does Emperor jerkweed get off scot-free? He's not exactly following anything resembling the spirit of the law either.
As a side note I feel the Emperor in general should only be able to force land return if they have the 1 IA to pay if its declined OR doing so without the ability to pay means no malus. If your authority is that low, you don't get to just freely throw around maluses because MECHANICS. :/
Alternatively, the Emperor demanding the land and it being conceded results in a neutralisation of the truce one-way (the Emperor is still truced, the attacker is free) as the terms have been violated and the land seized back.
Just give me some consequences for the Emperor trying to abuse his position damnit! If I can be forced to suffer malus after malus with the princes and unrest out the wazoo, why does Emperor jerkweed get off scot-free? He's not exactly following anything resembling the spirit of the law either.
As a side note I feel the Emperor in general should only be able to force land return if they have the 1 IA to pay if its declined OR doing so without the ability to pay means no malus. If your authority is that low, you don't get to just freely throw around maluses because MECHANICS. :/
Gives a massive malus on relations. The Emperor needs his princes to agree to reforms and electors will stop voting for him.
Granted, it's not very effective. Still, a mechanic that does make sense and fits immersion rules.
Not going to argue if it should be different. It definitely should.
But saying there's nothing in place is a lie.
Fair point there. Demanding the territory is literally breaking the peace treaty they just signed.
Now, breaking peace treaties is not unheard of, but should have a cost
Emperor should have some malus applied if they make the demand before the truce period is out. They'd still go after it eventually, which is realistic, but it would spare us the: sign-it-off-today,-demand-it-back-tomorrow-with-no-consequence nonsense.
Now, breaking peace treaties is not unheard of, but should have a cost
Emperor should have some malus applied if they make the demand before the truce period is out. They'd still go after it eventually, which is realistic, but it would spare us the: sign-it-off-today,-demand-it-back-tomorrow-with-no-consequence nonsense.
What you wrote makes literally no sense at all.
Even if they were not war leader they signed the treaty and they got the truce.
This truce gives me obligations like not attack him, but he apparently can break the terms of the truce (which involved the conquest of those provinces) giving me maluses by asking the provinces back right after having signed the truce.
And makes even less sense that I can't remove the provinces from the empire because I have a truce with the Emperor, but the emperor can ask them back despite the truce.
I would think the Emperor should get a relations penalty with the country, if they still exist, that gave up the land as that nation agreed to give it up. The Emperor shouldn't get to request the province(s) back regardless as they lost the war, even if they weren't the war leader (I've lost provinces when I wasn't the war leader, I didn't get to request them back, I got the reconquest CB instead, I had to wait for the truce to finish).
One of the main premises of the HRE is to defend small nation states from larger forces outside the HRE, if the Emperor is derelict in that duty, that's the Emperor's problem, not the attacker's, to the point that every member of the HRE should get a relations hit with the Emperor for allowing a province to fall under control of a non-member on top of the IA hit that goes along with that.
One of the main premises of the HRE is to defend small nation states from larger forces outside the HRE, if the Emperor is derelict in that duty, that's the Emperor's problem, not the attacker's, to the point that every member of the HRE should get a relations hit with the Emperor for allowing a province to fall under control of a non-member on top of the IA hit that goes along with that.