I shouldn't be forced to back off by a war I won

[byebytoad]

So basically I attack Salzburg with Cleves as co-belligerant + other allies.
After about one year after me and my allies wiped out 90% of their troops (the remaining 10% was hiding somewhere in Europe where I couldn't see them and eventually got defetead by somebody ) Nassau decided to take advantage of my work, and declared war on Cleves with the help of Austria (casus belli: reconquest of Frankfurt which is also Cleves Capital).

Now I'm in a situation where I occupied Frankfurt and Berg, while Nassau occupied the 3 other settlements.
Thing is: I wanted Netherland to get at least 2 provinces out of this war, but Frankfurt can't be assigned because it wouldn't be contiguous so Netherland can't core it and thus wouldn't accept it.

I can't wait Nassau to make peace because since they don't control Frankfurt (which is not just Cleves capital but also the goal of their casus belli) and so they won't msake peace.

So either I wait for years like I'm doing or back off this war with only 1 province absorbed despite the fact that I won more battles and have a higher warscore against Cleves (64 vs 43) leaving the lion share to Nassau because of this 'bug'.

 

[Metroidkirby]

Ai don't get call for peace, so waiting is not a good choice. You can attack Nassau in order to occupy these provinces.

 

[Dominion]

Ai don't get call for peace, so waiting is not a good choice. You can attack Nassau in order to occupy these provinces.

They changed "length of war" significantly recently. The AI not getting call for peace doesn't matter anymore. They'll peace out faster than they used to.

Sad thing is, it has become difficult to create 100 year wars between nations

 

[byebytoad]

Ai don't get call for peace, so waiting is not a good choice. You can attack Nassau in order to occupy these provinces.

I can't attack Nassau because Salzburg (who is the other co-belligerant ) is the Emperor and if I try to attack Nassau it says 'you can't attack another member of HRE while at war with the Emperor'

 

[macd21]

I’m confused as to why you think this is a ‘bug.’ They saw you’d crippled their enemies, then swooped in to snap up some provinces before you could get them. I’be taken advantage of the AI using the same tactic. Am I missing something?

 

[Metroidkirby]

'you can't attack another member of HRE while at war with the Emperor'

I hate this.

 

[FinchStyr]

Happens to often.

It should also be possible to diplo change siege from a ally who was faster as you to yourself.

 

[PedroLuiz]

Sad thing is, it has become difficult to create 100 year wars between nations

to be fair, most wars didn't last more than a year or two

 

[PedroLuiz]

Happens to often.

It should also be possible to diplo change siege from a ally who was faster as you to yourself.

just put that land as iyour interest

 

[FinchStyr]

Is this possible even after my ally siege it down?

 

[PedroLuiz]

i think so

 

[byebytoad]

I’m confused as to why you think this is a ‘bug.’ They saw you’d crippled their enemies, then swooped in to snap up some provinces before you could get them. I’be taken advantage of the AI using the same tactic. Am I missing something?

Because:
1-I have higher warscore than those who swooped in and yet I can claim only one region.
2-Because I can't attack those who swooped in and took advantage of my work. In real life situation that wouldn't happen: nobody would let somebody get in to a war and grab lands without doing anything without the 'consent' of the war leader.
3-Because , and this is more important than the previous 2, I can't even attack the ones who swooped in. Ok you think is fairplay to swoop in and and take more lands than the one who actually fought the war, without even fighting a single battle. But then I should at least be able to have my say in this by fighting you for this land!

But there's a fourth indisputable reason why this is a bug (from both real life and gaming perspective):
now we both ended up in a situation where the enemy is totally defeated and yet nobody will make peace because nobody has the provinces they wanted and there's no way to unblock this stalemate.
this situation . I've waited 5 years hoping for peace or at least rebels appearing in the provinces occupied by Nassau, and after that I gave up and made peace.

 

[macd21]

Because:
1-I have higher warscore than those who swooped in and yet I can claim only one region.
2-Because I can't attack those who swooped in and took advantage of my work. In real life situation that wouldn't happen: nobody would let somebody get in to a war and grab lands without doing anything without the 'consent' of the war leader.
3-Because , and this is more important than the previous 2, I can't even attack the ones who swooped in. Ok you think is fairplay to swoop in and and take more lands than the one who actually fought the war, without even fighting a single battle. But then I should at least be able to have my say in this by fighting you for this land!

But there's a fourth indisputable reason why this is a bug (from both real life and gaming perspective):
now we both ended up in a situation where the enemy is totally defeated and yet nobody will make peace because nobody has the provinces they wanted and there's no way to unblock this stalemate.
this situation . I've waited 5 years hoping for peace or at least rebels appearing in the provinces occupied by Nassau, and after that I gave up and made peace.

Hmm. Yeah, the only problem I see is the ban on attacking another HRE member while you’re at war with the emperor. Which is annoying, but I can see why they did it.

 

[Metroidkirby]

I can see why they did it.

Personally, I don't. If the emperor can't protect one prince in a war, why could a protect two princes?

 

[macd21]

Personally, I don't. If the emperor can't protect one prince in a war, why could a protect two princes?

It’s because otherwise it leaves open an exploit. Say you want to conquer Saxony, but you don’t think you can tackle the Austrians. You start a war with someone else who draws in Austria, preferably someone weak. Austria answers the call to arms. You then declare war on Saxony, before making a white peace in the first war. You now have a ceasefire with Austria and can happily conquer Saxony.

 

[Metroidkirby]

Yep, and you can find better strategies in order to screw the HRE, but the emperor still has the CB to return imperial territories. The emperor should be more aggressive in order to restaure imperial territories, rather than just having a magical shield like it has now.

 

[macd21]

Yep, and you can find better strategies in order to screw the HRE, but the emperor still has the CB to return imperial territories. The emperor should be more aggressive in order to restaure imperial territories, rather than just having a magical shield like it has now.

??? The ‘magic shield’ is to stop an exploit. Without it the player can easily abuse the exploit to sideline the emperor and take Imperial territory. Being more aggressive about taking it back wouldn’t change that.

 

[Drachenfels]

A bug? Nope it's not a bug. Maybe the other war was exactly for that reason, to screw your tactics. I did that in the past on AI, it would be nice if AI did it on purpose against you.

Lob a stone at me if you had never declared war to quickly occupy most if not all provinces only because you wanted to save country from being annexed by someone else.

Tough luck, next time just send stacks of 1k soliders (or even less) to just be first on the province in case anyone else joins the fray. :-D

 

[byebytoad]

A bug? Nope it's not a bug. Maybe the other war was exactly for that reason, to screw your tactics. I did that in the past on AI, it would be nice if AI did it on purpose against you.

I guess the reason why the AI does that is that it sees that as an easy land-grab.
It happens very often even between war in which only AI is involved, so I don't think it's to screw my strategy.

 

[Metroidkirby]

??? The ‘magic shield’ is to stop an exploit. Without it the player can easily abuse the exploit to sideline the emperor and take Imperial territory. Being more aggressive about taking it back wouldn’t change that.

Beiing HRE emperor and managing it in order to form a single country should be as hard as doing Three Mountains. The Emperor is already for more wealthier and powerful than it ever was in history. The Emperor do not need a magical protection, it's already strong enough to stomp down France, PLC and the Ottomans. I'm against magical border, you can truce-break an alliance, but you can't wage war against two OPM because "you're already at war with the emperor". If you are at war with a country, and one of its vassals is on scutage, the vassal is not part of the war, but you can still declare another war on him. It should be the exact same thing for attacking the HRE, as the overlord get the "reconquest CB", the emperor get the "liberate imperial territory CB", it should be enough.