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Description of problem
Becoming a Great Power Issues

What game version are you running?
2.0.1

What platform are you playing on?
Steam

Please select any/all DLC you have enabled.
Hellenistic world flavor pack, Epirus flavor pack, Magna Graecia Content Pack, Epirus Content Pack

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
2nd game in a row when becoming a great power and inviting a family. It creates a new family of some exixting characters of that family. And new ones that have no last name, the entire family has no name in great family list.
In my egypt game i decided lets try it out. After a while i had a disloyal character, think it was my sisters son. He was of my dynasty but had switched to the no name family in color after awhile. And said he was head of a great family and scorned so he was disloyal. I checked the family list. He switched into the family with no name, but was not the head of the family.
So i saved and reloaded, now the disloyal son was again of my dynasty. But now i had a new disloyal head of family who was scorned, created out of thin air with no relatives and not anywhere in the great family list. With a bullshit powerbase that i cannot fix cus shes not part of a family, shes gonna start a civil war soon.

In my second game as rome, i became a greatpower as a dictator. Needed to create a new great family. It even had my consort as an option? Yeah, thats not gonna create any issues, im sure. So lets no pick that one ;) Again the new family has 3 characters that already existed with last names. Created new ones out of thin air, with no family name. And the great family again has no name.

Additionally, govenors have the great power -5 penalty twice and office holders have none. Which makes it really an issue if you give govenorship to heads of family as their powerbase will be way to hard to manage. I dont know if the penalty should be x2 or if its a bug, but it probably needs looking at anyway.
And why do people not vote on heirs when they are below the age of 12 when each of the are loyal? The succession support doesnt even show up on the childs character screen. In the government screen it will only show you as voting, everyone else voted for number 2, who was a woman leading my main legion. Who was not even eligable as heir according to my laws. As my dictatorship wasnt that long the family isnt that big yet, so for some reason all pretenders are generals from my legion. That should go really swell if none will/can vote for kids below the age of 12

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Maria Theresa

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The reason why governors have -5 penalty twice is because in the modifiers, nation_rank_5 a.ka Great Power has both general_loyalty = -5 and governor_loyalty = -5 included. And after the 2.0 update all governors also count as generals because they are in charge of the levies from their region. The same problem is with Major Power as well (-2.5 loyalty twice)
I think the easiest way to fix this is to simply remove governor_loyalty = -5 as there are no governors who are not generals but there can be generals who are not governors (Legion commanders). Maybe increase the penalty to -6 to compensate.
 
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Description of problem
Becoming a Great Power Issues

What game version are you running?
2.0.1

What platform are you playing on?
Steam

Please select any/all DLC you have enabled.
Hellenistic world flavor pack, Epirus flavor pack, Magna Graecia Content Pack, Epirus Content Pack

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
2nd game in a row when becoming a great power and inviting a family. It creates a new family of some exixting characters of that family. And new ones that have no last name, the entire family has no name in great family list.
In my egypt game i decided lets try it out. After a while i had a disloyal character, think it was my sisters son. He was of my dynasty but had switched to the no name family in color after awhile. And said he was head of a great family and scorned so he was disloyal. I checked the family list. He switched into the family with no name, but was not the head of the family.
So i saved and reloaded, now the disloyal son was again of my dynasty. But now i had a new disloyal head of family who was scorned, created out of thin air with no relatives and not anywhere in the great family list. With a bullshit powerbase that i cannot fix cus shes not part of a family, shes gonna start a civil war soon.

In my second game as rome, i became a greatpower as a dictator. Needed to create a new great family. It even had my consort as an option? Yeah, thats not gonna create any issues, im sure. So lets no pick that one ;) Again the new family has 3 characters that already existed with last names. Created new ones out of thin air, with no family name. And the great family again has no name.

Additionally, govenors have the great power -5 penalty twice and office holders have none. Which makes it really an issue if you give govenorship to heads of family as their powerbase will be way to hard to manage. I dont know if the penalty should be x2 or if its a bug, but it probably needs looking at anyway.
And why do people not vote on heirs when they are below the age of 12 when each of the are loyal? The succession support doesnt even show up on the childs character screen. In the government screen it will only show you as voting, everyone else voted for number 2, who was a woman leading my main legion. Who was not even eligable as heir according to my laws. As my dictatorship wasnt that long the family isnt that big yet, so for some reason all pretenders are generals from my legion. That should go really swell if none will/can vote for kids below the age of 12

Steps to reproduce the issue.
Become a great power, invite a family
Screenshots and savefiles included

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You can solve this yourself by opening ImperatorRome/game/common/modifiers/00_hardcoded.txt , search for nation_rank_4 and nation_rank_5 and remove the lines that give a negative modifier to governors. As mentioned in the reply of Maria Theresa, all governors are generals but not all generals governors. Removing the 2 lines of code prevents governors getting a double penalty.