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Herennius

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Description of problem
3 issues with "Rise from Obscurity" event

What platform are you playing on?
Steam

What game version are you running?
1.4.1

Please select any/all DLC you have enabled.
Hellenistic world flavor pack,
Magna Graecia Content Pack

Do you have mods enabled? No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
All of the following might not be bugs in a strict technical sence, but they are -IMHO- highly immersion killing and partly contributing to confusion in terms of naming issues:

Shorty after doing a proscription vs. an imprisoned familiy leader, I got the usual "Rise from Obscurity" event to allow me choosing a replacement great family. What strikes me here as immersion-breaking is:

RfOchoices.jpg


1. The proscription led to the fall of the Zeuxid family - and now they are possibly immediately back (2nd choice)?

2. Both the 1st and 3rd choice will bring (back - they were the long-ruling Monarch Family, before I installed my first Mercanary King) the Agothoklids - so effectively I can only choose here in between a different family head and I'm robbed in sum of one possible choices of a different family

3. If I take on of the Agathoklid choices (in the example below, the 3rd - but the problem is the same with the 1st), I will end up with a new Agathoklid family of the usual "new Family size". Problem? As mentioned above, the Agathoklis as year-long ruler familiy had around 40 characters, when they were demoted years back - and most of them are still alive as minor characters. Now only a tiny fraction of them gets included in the new Family - and the rest is carrying the name, too...but there are still minor (with the fallen Family modifier):

AgathoklidMinorCharactersOutsideAgathoklidGreatFamily.jpg


That greatly adds confusion UI-wise, not to talk of that it feels not very atmospheric.
To be clear: I'm fine with the Agathoklid comeback, but I think all former members should be included then in the new-old-family. Or the rest needs to lose its name somehow!

Steps to reproduce the issue.
1. Load save
2. Do proscription on Hermesianax Zeuxid
3. Get RfO-event with choices discussed above
4. Pick 3rd Option
5. Browse the character database to see all the minor characters named "Agathoklid"

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Herennius

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Here is an even worse example with 1.4.2 - after using proscription on my old, overthrown ruler Poseidippos Therid, RfO brings up as "choices" four times a "new Therid" family:

4TimesTheridFamily.jpg



Since I'm now a Republic, it leads to the additional curiousity that the other families will happily accept the first three Therid-choices, but get mad about the last one...

To reproduce with the attached save...

1. Load it
2. See that the Therid are currently agreat Family and that the head Poseidippos Therid is imprison
3. Choose him and use the character interaction "proscribe"
4. Let the game run until the month change brings up the RfO event
5. See 4 times the old Therid family
 

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