I propose changes to Poland in EEP

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I think it's a little misleading to say that Brandenburg shouldn't survive. It was after all part of the empire, and any expansion by Poland in that direction would have led directly to conflict with the entire empire. Is Poland taking over Brandenburg less weird than Brandenburg taking chunks of Poland? Absolutely. Is it in line with real history? Doesn't seem like it to me.

 

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OK so how did Brandenburg survive?

I think it's a little misleading to say that Brandenburg shouldn't survive

Yes, it's misleading, I'd like to say that chance for Brandenburg to become europen power was small in XV and XVI century. Sorry for misleading

But guys, it's not the point. I'm not trying to put Brandenburg, Turkey or Sweden on polish combat list. I try to remove Bohemia and Hungary from it. So I show as weird is make Poland to combat its historical friends, Bohemia and Hungary, instead of its historical enemies.

 

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... so what Alan? The Empire is invaded numerous times in a EU2 game, why must Brandenburg be a special case. Burgundian agression isn't treated the same, nor is French agression, Austrian agression, and so on.

 

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I think that one was addressed at me and not Alan. My point was simply that Brandenburg ought to survive. That said, I agree with Awomaru that it doesn't need to be likely that it become an important power.
And if we can do something about keeping France and Burgundy out of the Empire I'm all in favour. Maybe not too likely.

 

[AlanC9]

Originally posted by Fate
... so what Alan? The Empire is invaded numerous times in a EU2 game, why must Brandenburg be a special case. Burgundian agression isn't treated the same, nor is French agression, Austrian agression, and so on.

If your point is that the entire Empire situation is wrong in EU2, you won't get an argument from me.

Actually, I think the real problem is the aggression of the minor powers. I'm beginning to think that there's a bug with the "peaceful" AI.

Case in point; I'm playing a game as Brandenburg, with one ally - my vassal of Saxony (reduced to one province). Denmark, Poland, and some small countries are in an alliance. They keep fighting a really huge Austria, and I just try to stay out. I have good relations with Denmark and Poland. Austria is the badboy, I think.

Saxony DOWs Poland.

What were they thinking? Even if Brandenburg comes in, we're no match for Poland (except that Brandenburg is human-played, of course).

I see a lot of this. Most of the wars in the HRE are triggered by the minors, not the big powers.

 

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Most of the wars in the HRE are triggered by the minors, not the big powers.

Just because the AI is so so so stupid? I guess (and anty-human player too).

 

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Well, my 2gr:
We do not need include BOH & HUN in poland.ai file. CB shield in Silesia is enough to represent Polish claims in the region...

That's another thing... Lithuania shouldn't be 'annexed' it should become a new country just like Russia.

That's the point! Absolutely
Some days ago I released a thread about the Commonwealth to be created from both countries (we have even got a shield set), however it has been forgotten...

 

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Remember that there are a very small number of free tags (10 if I'm remembering correctly). Holland and Khiva already have claims, and I find it hard to justify giving one to P-L. If there were lots of tags I think it would be fine. I propose you suggest which country deserves to give up a tag so that P-l and Poland will be different countries.

 

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And what about Mazovia? It deserves a tag.

 

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Originally posted by Isaac Brock
Remember that there are a very small number of free tags (10 if I'm remembering correctly).

20 in the U## series, actually, plus a couple like HEI, PRM, and AMI that aren't actually used.

I also don't think Poland-Lithuania should get a separate tag - not because of the lack of tags, but because all references to POL that can come up post-1568 (or whatever the start date of the union is) would need to be duplicated with U17 or whatever. The synchronization would be a nightmare. The possibility for revolters to form a simultaneous Poland, Lithuania, and Poland-Lithuania is disquieting, also.

 

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Well, you are probably right
If we could change the shield though...

 

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Originally posted by Awomaru
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1. Army to strong
2. Wrong guideliness set in ai file.
3. Income to high
4. Mazovia was not part of Poland
(...)6. Lithuanian culture(...)

1) The Grunwald army was one of the biggest of its times. Of course the normal, peacetime state of the Polish army was quite low, but the mobilization possibilities were relatively high. Moreover, as someone stated before, all the worlds armies are bigger in EU than they were. I'd agree too diminish the number of polish soldiers, but only in case we cut all the worlds armies as well. Otherwise Poland will have a first partition by 1500...
2) Bohemia and Hungary were one of the priorities of polish foreign affairs policy of Jagiellonian times.
3) Perhaps. But what do you need your income for in the game? To develop and to raise armies. In Poland the kings' treasury was empty all the times, but Poland was developing without kings help. And the armies were raised on a conscript basis thus king didn't had to have lots of money in order to have an army. EU playing system wouldn't support it, I guess.
4) Damn right. Freedom to Masovia!
6) Lithuanian culture is applied to territories, where Ruthenian language and customs were present at the time. And Polish crown was extremely friendly towards ruthenian nobles. I'd leave it as it is.
Cheers