Just because 'people' ask for it doesn't make it a good idea.
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I love EU4, but his subscription drive.....
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Oh make no mistake, showing you the sub thrice was a calculated marketing decision.
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So now we have come full loop around to "companies shouldn't listen to their customers, and instead decide themselves what constitutes a 'good' idea"? I finally understand EA's philosophy model...
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Not what I said.
I do think that they should listen to their customers (and think they do) _and_ decide for themselves what constitutes a 'good idea'.
"I've heard people literally ask for subscription as an option so I can't really blame Paradox for that part."
Hearing people doesn't sound like a good metric.
Sounds like this logic.
I have heard people say that the old DLC should be free, so therefore Paradox should do that.
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Well aside from the marketing method, which really is a separate issue, then its not actually a bad idea. Some people feel they need to own most/all the DLCs to get full enjoyment, now they won't have a huge one-time payment barrier to trying the game out.
I have no need nor desire to make use of it, but the existence of the option doesn't hurt me.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
Personally, i won't make use of it, i prefer to buy the game and DLCs. But if people prefer to subscribe, especially when they come at a late stage, well... hell yeah, more options is more good for the players.
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I've also heard people say that Muscovy should start with all their vassals integrated from the start and that Ottomans are too weak. Just because people say something doesn't mean it's a good idea...
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I've also heard people literally begging for bugs to be fixed
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I think the issue is that some people, myself included, believe that the success of a subscription service will change Paradox and affect the games they produce. In that way its existence does hurt them in the long run.
I also believe that it is predatory, though that would be removed if there was a shift to :
- a rent-to-own subscription model so after X months of trying it out a user can chose to switch to purchasing the product and not start in a hole;
- a simple re-subscribe instead of a automatic renewal, as it would remove the "the company hopes the subscriber forgets to turn of the spigot" feel to it.
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It may be incredibly unrealistic and pds would never do it, but I've always thought a system of "retiring" the oldest DLC after a certain point however many years that is and tying their content into the base game would be the way to go about maintaining onboarding without being too daunting for new players. Rent-to-own is probably more realistic from a business perspective. Let's be real though, they are definitely relying on the "just hope the user forgets" system.
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I really dislike the subscription ad in the main menu.
It's unlikely I'm going to subscribe, I've bought all the DLC. Please let me play without ads.
I don't have anything against the subscription itself - if I didn't have any DLC, I might subscribe. But it came a few years too late for me.
It's unlikely I'm going to subscribe, I've bought all the DLC. Please let me play without ads.
I don't have anything against the subscription itself - if I didn't have any DLC, I might subscribe. But it came a few years too late for me.
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If I was a noob it's a good feature I guess. Though I've had EU4 since day one and I have all the DLC up to Dharma. Now I've got to the point of "no way paradox am I buying a new £15 DLC for a few more buttons to press in a 4 centuries old game". But also I'm never going to pay a subscription as ive already sunk a ton of money into the game.
I think for EU5 a sub service would be okay if they plan on developing the game for another 4 centuries after release.
On the AD front, in steam yeah I dont mind, in game big no no.
I think for EU5 a sub service would be okay if they plan on developing the game for another 4 centuries after release.
On the AD front, in steam yeah I dont mind, in game big no no.
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No arguments from me there.
My (original) point was more that my relationship, as a customer of Paradox, becomes more adversarial the more forcefully unwanted options are pushed. It also becomes more adversarial when the company seems to suggest that my value is less than a subscriber.
If I adopt the mod that removes the pulsing subscription advertisement in the main menu, will that mod survive the next patch? Marketing directors may decide it must be removed, and precluded from reoccuring. Since that mod argues against how Paradox is conducting it's business, it's a much more contentious disagreement than game mechanics.
I'm fairly sure I'm not worth as much to Paradox as someone who goes and gets the subscription. The sums of money are likely to be different. The pulsing subscription advertisement - the first time I've noticed such an intrusive advertisement actually in the game - reinforces that assumption effectively.
It does not help that Shams Jorjani has been describing 'live services' as 'the future' on the Paradox Podcast . I've been a fan of the company to an extent because I like this game, and it's provided a window into the company's thinking.
Yet it seems time for me to reassess the commercial relationship. Like removing all familiar things, it's not much fun.
But it's clear I don't own this game, even nominally, let alone legally.
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and something else people have been asking for is DLC bundles to make getting into the game cheaper, since there are so many DLCs now. the store page is intimidating with the sheer number of DLCs and people have no good way of going through all of them to see which are best, which is why you so often see people asking which are basically required to enjoy the game. if they bundled all of them into a few DLC sets or just bundled all of them at a very reduced price people would get into the game more easily. or just wrap DLC features into the base game at this point...
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