Here is a major bug/problem I have discovered in EU4. I started a war where I did not need to call allies, so I didn't call them. But then a enemy territory that I vassalized did have an ongoing war. I inherited the war, and it immediately calls all my allies with my permission. Every single ally declines, crippling my relations with them. This is utter BS, is there any way around this other than reloading before I started the war and calling all my allies?
I lose every ally if I inherent a vassals war :(
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No there is not.
Depending on the type of war you are in (especially if you are war leader) it might be better to just sit on their land waiting for them to peace out of their other war. Their modifiers for peace will tank, making it easier for them to want to make peace (depending on if they are an attacker/defender or war leader, may force them to make concessions quicker).
Or you can do what I do and screw your allies. Their trust will drop, and often if they are friendly with you they will increase your opinion making it easy to ally with them. Often, if you are somewhat of a warmonger, vassals are better than allies, and allies are often pointless.
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Depending on the type of war you are in (especially if you are war leader) it might be better to just sit on their land waiting for them to peace out of their other war. Their modifiers for peace will tank, making it easier for them to want to make peace (depending on if they are an attacker/defender or war leader, may force them to make concessions quicker).
Or you can do what I do and screw your allies. Their trust will drop, and often if they are friendly with you they will increase your opinion making it easy to ally with them. Often, if you are somewhat of a warmonger, vassals are better than allies, and allies are often pointless.
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Makes sense to me. If you're fighting a war where you suddenly vassalize some minor and inherit their war, it's your problem - likely your allies will think of it as your own backdoor, so why should they get involved?
No where else other than coalitions do you have allies join automatically so even in this case making vassal should not auto-call allies.
You don't have them join automatically outside of coalitions no, but that's not happening here either. There's a CtA being sent out to all your allies, which is exactly what happens whenever you (or one of your subjects) get attacked. It shouldn't happen here, because of undesirable consequences, but it's not that strange that it does.
Why doesn't the ally nations help in defensive war anyway in this case ? Normally I see they always agree to join.
The exact same thing happened to me today as France. I was in a war against Ferrara (leader), Austria and Tuscany, it was the "Ferrarean Conquest of Venezia" to which Naples had called me and I became war leader of the Defense. After crushing all opposition I vassalizes Ferrara and was immediately without CtA, Popup or anything in a war against Brunswick and Magdeburg (Brunswick was trying to Conquer Oldenburg). Again I automatically became War leader in a ridiculous alliance with my nemesis Austria and half the HRE. The next day I received messages that all my allies had "backstabbed" me and because of the -150 Relation hit I could not re-ally them.
Nothing that was said above in order to justify this mechanism makes any sense to me. When I vassalize some small dipshit OPM, it should pull out of any wars it's in and automatically be in MY wars, not the other way round. Regardless, there should be no autocall on my allies (which would have happened if I had been attacked, but I wasn't I was just joining a defensive alliance).
Nothing that was said above in order to justify this mechanism makes any sense to me. When I vassalize some small dipshit OPM, it should pull out of any wars it's in and automatically be in MY wars, not the other way round. Regardless, there should be no autocall on my allies (which would have happened if I had been attacked, but I wasn't I was just joining a defensive alliance).
The war itself must have been going on for months thus the CtA being sent out will almost always be denied. This needs to be fixed.
Yupp, that's the reason why all my allies were rejecting to join. the "more than 60 days" counter was over 160 points. Otherwise my allies (all allied more than 50 years) would never have rejected... this was REALLY annoying! Denmark was actually just 1 point away from accepting...
The more than 60 days thing is stupid in this case, however a possible workaround is to cede the land or even take full annexation ---> "release vassals". Removing the target from existence should clear wars with it.
I agree, I think it's quite common for nations to join allies later in wars, so the 60 day thing is a bit of a pain. They have a sort of work around for this with the Enforce Peace option but then you have issues like the above where you get crazy bad relations with allies for no reason.
This happened to me as Italy. Had a lovely alliance set up with France, Hungary, and Castile. Then I vassalized a OPM and suddenly lose all of my allies-- and can't ally with them because my own nation's opinion of them tanked hard due to "dishonored alliance" modifier. France rivals me a few months later...
It is annoying that you must auto-call allies as you inherit your new vassal's war. But I don't think I had much problem with this.. I auto-call all willing allies no matter what just for the sake of keeping allies busy, and maybe that's what helped?
Well yeah. I'm the kind of guy who calls France, Ottomans and Russia to declare war on an OPM. "Fought to the last battle" and "honored alliance" relationship modifier help maintaining relationships high.
Here's somethiing just for some laughs. I fight wars like a MAN.
Bohemia! Castile! Saxony! I need your help in our war against Avignon and their mighty 4000 strong men, I hear their sticks are pointy!
Well yeah. I'm the kind of guy who calls France, Ottomans and Russia to declare war on an OPM. "Fought to the last battle" and "honored alliance" relationship modifier help maintaining relationships high.
Here's somethiing just for some laughs. I fight wars like a MAN.
Bohemia! Castile! Saxony! I need your help in our war against Avignon and their mighty 4000 strong men, I hear their sticks are pointy!
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Yeah, I call them all as well... but auto-calling with no say in it is a whole different animal.
I also think a bit of the "stop calling me to arms all the time" modifier from CK2 would be in place...
I also think a bit of the "stop calling me to arms all the time" modifier from CK2 would be in place...
If you accept a vassal, it wouldn't drag you into separate wars with said vassal and have your allies unwilling to join because you first completely eliminated war target.
You'd take more aggressive expansion demerit, but that's better than a bunch of failed war calls.