Not for me, I can host perfectly fine.
And again, what I want is just to have option to MP without Steamworks.
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Not for me, I can host perfectly fine.
And again, what I want is just to have option to MP without Steamworks.
Not for me, I can host perfectly fine.
And again, what I want is just to have option to MP without Steamworks.
Well you shall not. Better learn to deal with it.
Yep, but it's still sad that we don't have more options for MP. Even LAN play seems to be not there.
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Is this a new PR thing? Trying to be rude?
You answered in this thread yourself:
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Ok, I just want to clarify: Can you play LAN Multiplayer without connection to Steam or Internet?
Just block all outgoing traffic in your router firewall except the following ports:
Steam Client
UDP 27000 to 27015 inclusive (Game client traffic)
UDP 27015 to 27030 inclusive (Typically Matchmaking and HLTV)
TCP 27014 to 27050 inclusive (Steam downloads)
UDP 4380
Dedicated or Listen Servers
TCP 27015 (SRCDS Rcon port)
Steamworks P2P Networking and Steam Voice Chat
UDP 3478 (Outbound)
UDP 4379 (Outbound)
UDP 4380 (Outbound)
Add EU4 specific ports, and voila, you can only use the internet connection for gaming. No Facebook, no Youtube, no porn. It will work like any LAN, except you have to have internet access. The bandwith requirements will likely be so low that you will be fine with a 2 mbit down connection, which you really should be able to get anywhere except the Amazon or Himalaya these days.
Cryptic language and being rude spread into PI devs minds.. God help us!
I don't understand what's so hard to answer. There is Online play on one side and LAN play on the other side. While Online play needs you to be connected to the internet, traditionally LAN play doesn't need you to be online.
The question is so easy: Am I able to play EUIV on an island with no internet, but with power supply and a native tribe of 4 men with a laptop and a wlan-router in LAN mode AFTER having activated it in the motherland ONCE via Steam?
I don't understand what's so hard to answer. There is Online play on one side and LAN play on the other side. While Online play needs you to be connected to the internet, traditionally LAN play doesn't need you to be online.
The question is so easy: Am I able to play EUIV on an island with no internet, but with power supply and a native tribe of 4 men with a laptop and a wlan-router in LAN mode AFTER having activated it in the motherland ONCE via Steam?
I think the reason is Johan is posting as such is because LAN play has nothing to do with steamworks?
'Can you play EU4 MP with only a few copies of the game, a few computers, and a few cables, without needing to connect to the internet, or
can you only pretend to be on LAN by all being in the same room connected to the same internet?'
I've been using Steam since it launched and have no major complaints. I don't get why so many people hate it. It has it's flaws for sure, but for multiplayer gaming it's a solid platform and sounds like a huge step up from EU3 multiplayer.
Firstly I'm indifferent, but I can speculate on this matter. Maybe non Steam users feel like they are 'forced' to switch to Steam? This can certainly play a role for people, which are happy with the way things are going currently. In other words, if they want to keep playing a game series they like, they are must switch, not because they like, but because they need to.
Then as always in these discussions, both sides arguing against each other, often tends to result in entrenched opinions.
Anyway the discussion is pointless, but I can understand, that people, who choose for something, when they have a choice, think differently about the same thing as people, who need to make a choice without any other option (other than not being able to buy a game they love).
Not everyone has a broadband connection for internet but everyone has a private network. I am on a ship with a very limited internet connection and there is this german engineer in the next cabin who also plays EU3. If the game uses pure internet multiplayer I won't be able to play with him, if we get real LAN then we could do so. Problem is that suddenly all publishers and developers seem to have forgotten what LAN means, at least they pretend so
There are other people in similar situations.. Internet coverage in your area might be solid, but that's not given to everyone on earth.
I noticed this too. Being rude to customers is the worst thing ever for 'official'.
I won't buy single game from Paradox with such attitude to us.
Not everyone has a broadband connection for internet but everyone has a private network. I am on a ship with a very limited internet connection and there is this german engineer in the next cabin who also plays EU3. If the game uses pure internet multiplayer I won't be able to play with him, if we get real LAN then we could do so. Problem is that suddenly all publishers and developers seem to have forgotten what LAN means, at least they pretend so
There are other people in similar situations.. Internet coverage in your area might be solid, but that's not given to everyone on earth.
This is pretty much the issue. Devs have started to ignore the minority of their users that don't have good internet coverage in favor of laziness/DRM.
See; Xbox One.
Seems pretty clear the answer to the LAN question (meaning disconnected from the internet and LAN only) is "No". Maybe this concerns some people because they are worried about performance, but this concern may be based on how the prior network code ran. I think they are using new network code that is standardized for Steam, which likely means it will perform much better. There are many games using Steam's network code that perform very well so I think I would sit tight on those concerns until you've had a chance to see it in action.
I understand...clearly those kinds of scenarios still exist where LAN-only comes in handy, but I'm afraid you're right about where the industry is going. Luckily single player will still work in your situation which is more than can be said about a lot of games these days. I hope in the end there's a solution for you on the multiplayer too.Not everyone has a broadband connection for internet but everyone has a private network. I am on a ship with a very limited internet connection and there is this german engineer in the next cabin who also plays EU3. If the game uses pure internet multiplayer I won't be able to play with him, if we get real LAN then we could do so. Problem is that suddenly all publishers and developers seem to have forgotten what LAN means, at least they pretend so
There are other people in similar situations.. Internet coverage in your area might be solid, but that's not given to everyone on earth.
It's not clear to me. I think the answer is, in fact, "Yes."
From what Johan said, I think you can play EUIV perfectly fine on a LAN with no Internet connection running. You do, on the the other hand, have to have Steam software installed on your PCs: because the game will use Steam's network toolkit running in the background, in offline mode, to enable it to work.
That's my understanding, at least.
(Also: the fact that Paradox developers feel free to speak their mind on their own message boards - instead of censoring themselves to present a bland, wholesome, inoffensive, EA Games-style corporate image - is the best thing about them. Every time Johan or one of the other devs is justifiably rude to a fan, I'm slightly more likely to want to buy their next game.
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