I know its not my place to request anything.

[LostAlone]

I don't think it was deliberate to keep HoI players away from the Youtube event. I do think that the limited number of people they could fit in to the event they had a higher priority for people who play other games like EU IV & CK2. We are already HoI players and are going to give HOI IV a close look, players of other Strategy games might not. There are Youtubers who play HoI games and they could easily give them Steam access (no need to fly them to some special event) to do a review and they are not. To me this means they do feel ready for this yet for what ever reason (maybe just timing for release).

Remember that they haven't given ANYONE carte blanche to just record the game and say their thoughts over it. They let some people come and play a few games and practice some at home but they weren't allowed to just record all their play and talk over it. It's just marketing man. The game is going to be a year late by the time it eventually comes out and it's incredibly important for PDS to keep people hyped and interested throughout that time.

Generating negative content on youtube would be extremely damaging for the game and 'real' fans tend to be the harshest critics with an inability to look past the end of their nose. Both Quil and Northerlion said that the game was definitely functional, definitely playable and was a blast to play. Hardcore fans are rather more likely to get caught up in 'Tiger tanks have 5 less hard attack! 1 out of 10' stuff, and tend to not think in terms of if a game is fun, if it's accessible and remembering that the present state of the game isn't supposed to be perfectly balanced.

So they control the message, they control the game and the footage. They didn't let ANYONE do that kind of lets play footage.

 

[Vidkjaer]

Who is Marco Antonio?

A Youtuber who uses a games full potential.
He conquered the world in HOI3 (normal difficulty) as Luxemburg among other minor countries.

Try this link
https://m.youtube.com/user/marcoan7onio

 

[Beagá]

So they control the message, they control the game and the footage. They didn't let ANYONE do that kind of lets play footage.

With pretty good reason, I must say.

BTW Relic did an alpha with non-disclosure agreement. Imagine the rage in this forum if that happened with HOI.

Let people play when the game is ready.

 

[Zoob]

He has 5000 followers.

Quill18 has 260000.

It was a marketing event, designed to get the word out about the game. Clearly somebody with 5000 followers wasn't going to be top of their list

 

[mdw1985]

He has 5000 followers.

Quill18 has 260000.

It was a marketing event, designed to get the word out about the game. Clearly somebody with 5000 followers wasn't going to be top of their list

Quill made a good vid. Northernlion did even a better one. Arumba did...nothing...

 

[LostAlone]

Quill made a good vid. Northernlion did even a better one. Arumba did...nothing...

Nothing 'yet'.

I mean, I have to presume that going to the event was contingent on putting out a video. Maybe they even stipulated when each person could put them out to make sure no-one rushed and keep us drip fed for a few months. I certainly can't believe that Arumba just has nothing to say and even if he genuinely has nothing he wants to say, I can't imagine him spiting PDS by just pretending HOI doesn't exist.

 

[mdw1985]

Nothing 'yet'.

I mean, I have to presume that going to the event was contingent on putting out a video. Maybe they even stipulated when each person could put them out to make sure no-one rushed and keep us drip fed for a few months. I certainly can't believe that Arumba just has nothing to say and even if he genuinely has nothing he wants to say, I can't imagine him spiting PDS by just pretending HOI doesn't exist.

Well, i truly want to believe that, but actually i don't. The embargo has been lifted over two weeks ago. There is no sense in putting out the video next month, because we already saw a lot of the features in the other two videos. On the other hand HOI 4 is still in development, so that features still may change. The later the vid is released, the more changes may happen, the more useless this vid may be. I understand, that they don't release videos together at the same day. Northernlion released his vid ine week ago. Quill even before. There is no sense in holding back the thing. And i never believed, that arumba got warm with HOI 4. He didn't even seem very interested at the pdxcon15. And i don't know, what the agreement between pdx and arumba is...but i know, that this guy won't be a great help in promoting HOI 4.

You know, it is always that "do it when you're ready" stuff, which bothers me so much. Yeah, videos take time. Games even more. And patience of course is a virtue. But i see this term often abused to excuse anything and everything.

Will HOI 4 be a great game? i won't know before i play it. All i see is nice pictures, a sweet map and cool features. But maybe the ai is totally dumb. Or the game is buggy as hell. I will wait for the release to get to my final conclusion. And if the game is like i hope, i will be the biggest fan if the game. But before this happens, i will be cautious...

And will arumba release a great video? Maybe, yes. But I wouldn't care, if it was so late, that half the game would have already changed.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

Well, i truly want to believe that, but actually i don't. The embargo has been lifted over two weeks ago. There is no sense in putting out the video next month, because we already saw a lot of the features in the other two videos. On the other hand HOI 4 is still in development, so that features still may change. The later the vid is released, the more changes may happen, the more useless this vid may be. I understand, that they don't release videos together at the same day. Northernlion released his vid ine week ago. Quill even before. There is no sense in holding back the thing. And i never believed, that arumba got warm with HOI 4. He didn't even seem very interested at the pdxcon15. And i don't know, what the agreement between pdx and arumba is...but i know, that this guy won't be a great help in promoting HOI 4.

You know, it is always that "do it when you're ready" stuff, which bothers me so much. Yeah, videos take time. Games even more. And patience of course is a virtue. But i see this term often abused to excuse anything and everything.

Will HOI 4 be a great game? i won't know before i play it. All i see is nice pictures, a sweet map and cool features. But maybe the ai is totally dumb. Or the game is buggy as hell. I will wait for the release to get to my final conclusion. And if the game is like i hope, i will be the biggest fan if the game. But before this happens, i will be cautious...

And will arumba release a great video? Maybe, yes. But I wouldn't care, if it was so late, that half the game would have already changed.

He seems to frequent his subreddit quite often ( https://m.reddit.com/r/arumba07 ), so I'd advice politely asking there why it's taking so long.

 

[mdw1985]

He seems to frequent his subreddit quite often ( https://m.reddit.com/r/arumba07 ), so I'd advice politely asking there why it's taking so long.

Hmmm no but thanks. I don't remind him to do his job...

 

[GeneralPetrov]

Hmmm no but thanks. I don't remind him to do his job...

His "job" is to get views for advertising.

I'm not saying you should remind him, but I just thought you'd like answers as for why it's taking so long.

 

[mdw1985]

His "job" is to get views for advertising.

I'm not saying you should remind him, but I just thought you'd like answers as for why it's taking so long.

Safe-keeper already asked him afaik. He didn't post an answer yet...

 

[LostAlone]

I understand what you're saying but it seems kinda pointless for Arumba not to put anything out. Why would he go if he isn't going to use that to make money? Remember it was in the UK - He had to fly a long ass way to be there and take a lot of time off from making content (remember he releases content like every 4 hours every single day IIRC) so why would he go and not even use it to make a single video?

Traditionally there wouldn't be a reason to wait with content, but this isn't a game review that's being released. Whenever he puts a video out his regular audience and all of us are going to tune in no matter what. We all want more info and other people can't easily fill that need. And seriously - Arumba has done in person interviews with PDS before, he's been active on these boards and had direct interactions with the devs over game balance and such. Why would he risk that very valuable relationship by just not bothering to put anything out? He can just talk for 15 minutes over a chunk of footage to keep the relaationship going. Why would he say nothing? It hurts him so much to do nothing.

He'll put something out. Maybe he's taking time to do something different or more in depth (presumably he has all the footage from all the games if he wants to use it). He'll make it happen. At the very least he gets how valuable the relationship is to maintain. If he puts out something good now then he'll probably get a review copy and be the first person to put up any in depth gameplay stuff from HOI - a huge thing for him. But if not, well, not. Which would you do?

 

[JJMerrill]

Replying to this thread to show my support for the OP. Marco may not have anywhere near the presence of Quill or Arumba but he's by far the most talented HoI personality out there and players like myself would greatly appreciate his thoughts on the development.

 

[fabius]

But Paradox, please can we get Marco Antonio and maybe the carnage group access to the preview build so that they can post their impressions?

I mean, I like Quill and Arumba, but i would like to see what people who played HOI3 more to give their impressions. All I have heard is comparisons to EU4 and don´t get me wrong, I like EU4 but I´d like to see how the game is holding up to be when compared to HOI3.

I know there are probably maybe other HOI3 and 2 veterans. I learned HOI3 by watching Marcos videos and its not like he is a bad player or anything. The Carnage group has a youtube channel, but I guess they would be interested in the MP part.

Please? Sorry if I came off as demanding. I know Northernlion Arumba and company are the most popular ones and it makes sense from a marketing point of view (and don´t get me wrong, I like them ) but I´d be interested in hearing the impressions from people who dedicated more to Hearts of Iron.

My take on it is that having the impressions from both types of players has its merits. Arumba and others offer a fresh, but not totally ignorant perspective.

But I would like some HoI vet-fans to get an early invite.

One idea to spice up the forum could be a vote. There are several names that were so active and helpful in the HoI3 forum that I would whole heatedly like to see get an early play.

 

[mdw1985]

A vote would be nice. i have two or three people to suggest

 

[magicmarl]

Oh please, you're just massaging your own ego. HOI3 is undoubtedly a complex, hard to understand game. If paradox can maintain the complexity of game systems, while making it easier to understand for players would would traditionally bounce off HOI3 due to it's difficulty and presentation issues then sure that can only be a Good Thing.

What do you actually want from HOI4 that HOI3 and Black Ice and other such mods don't already offer you, what would HOI4 look like to you?

Seriously, It's not that hard. It's incredibly deep, but you don't have to understand all the game mechanics to be able to play effectively and win. I have 650 hours, and just yesterday I figured out what IC efficiency does.

 

[Zoob]

Seriously, It's not that hard.
I have 650 hours
just yesterday I figured out what IC efficiency does.

Thanks for proving my point. It is a very complex game, which is hard to understand.

If after 650 hours you're still only just fully understanding game systems, then I think very complex and hard to understand is pretty accurate.

 

[smoothpop]

there is a possibility that arumba is not releasing a vid because he was only allowed to release one that expressed largely possitive opinions and he doesnt have largely positive opinions, that could also be why he hasnt replied to a request for an eta, he may not be allowed to talk full stop because letting on that he cant make a video would imply the game is bad,

that is however unlikely, i only thought of it because back when i was a very early beta tester for world of warplanes it was made quite clear that it was ok to discuss and promote the game but only if what i said was positive (incidently i didnt talk about that game very much until it was released).

 

[henzington]

He already released a video and he had mostly positive but some negative things to say.

 

[magicmarl]

Thanks for proving my point. It is a very complex game, which is hard to understand.

If after 650 hours you're still only just fully understanding game systems, then I think very complex and hard to understand is pretty accurate.

Can you even read? You don't HAVE to understand all the game mechanics to play it well.