I keep conquering but receive no benefits from my posessions!

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hello! this is roboj again! thank you for reading my message!

i play as mexico and i conquer everyone down to panama. my dissent goes so high!! i think that i will get industry points added by taking other countries. i take them and it stays the same and so does dissent!! it is like conquering is no good at all. but what else to do in a game of this kind? i am confused.

 

[elbasto]

You can assimilate 25% of the economy of an occupied country and 33% of an annexed one.
Your dissent can be only lowered by raising your consumer goods above the minimun requirements. If you move your mouse over the dissent sprite you can see how fast is reduced (you may want to change the interface screen before doing this to, let's say, diplomacy, as the information is not always refreshed in real time). Dissent lowers your industrial capacity proporcionally to its level.
At war times you won't need as many consumer goods as in peace time to keep your civilians at bay, you may want to consider not to annex a conquered country to keep this demand low although that would be an exploit.
Finally but not less important, update your game for a better performance, the latest patch now is 1.06.

Good luck.

 

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hello! i have the new patch and "Super AI" new version.]

my problem is that when i conquer and annex my IC point do not go up. i can not use one new point for consumer or for science it is nowhere. i watch the country in the industry window and it starts at zero production, then becomes higher. but never do the IC come to me, not even one.

 

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Welcome back Roboj.

Elbasto has very good advice.

Furthermore, I dont know what government ministers Mexico has but there are ones in game which provide -5 to dissent, which means that you can use less IC to Consumer Goods than normal, this means you can assign the rest of what you would have used to CG and reduce dissent that way.

There are also (security) ministers that give a bonus to foreign manpower and IC.

Read the FAQs if you want more information and your English is up for it!


Are you getting enough resources? Check page of the ledger.


edited by gzav - Please read the Double posts sticky.

 

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hello! this is roboj again! thank you for reading my message!

i play as mexico and i conquer everyone down to panama. my dissent goes so high!! i think that i will get industry points added by taking other countries. i take them and it stays the same and so does dissent!! it is like conquering is no good at all. but what else to do in a game of this kind? i am confused.

Dissent reduces your IC as well. So when you make a dow of war your dissent goes up and thus your IC goes down. You then take the enemy province gaining a small amount of IC. If you are only conquering a small country with little IC then you may end up with less IC then what you started with!

Also, if the province you are annexing also is building something (ie industry), then the IC you get from that province is halved (or -5) just like when you improve industry in your own provinces.

 

[elbasto]

I'll try to explain it with an example:

My country (lets call it Zimm) has 100 IC another country, lets call it Eutopia, also has 100 IC. Both countrys have one single province.

Now, I declare war to Utopia, this increases my dissent 20% and thus, lowers my IC in the same proportion to 80 IC.

My consumer goods demand (that means the amount needed to avoid my dissent for either raising or going down) is grately reduced since I issue the war declaration as we are now under a war economy.

I march over Utopia taking over their only province that same day, this effectively destroys their IC but after 100 days Utopia recovers all their IC (1 day for each IC), my economy is now:
+100 IC (original size)
- 20 IC (caused by dissent)
+ 25 IC (Utopian economy).
Total IC 105 IC.

Now I move the slider of consumer goods to the far right corner and wait for the dissent to lower (this is the only way to reduce dissent, the further right the slider is, the faster my dissent will go down). After a couple days my economy is now 125 IC total.

Now I go to the diplomatic screen and efectively annex Utopia. Zimm's total IC is now 133.

Finally, as jmpt very well said, if you run out of resources, your economy efectively collapses. This may be caused by a bug known as "negative values" which reduces all your resources stockpiles to zero (or even negative!) values after you conquer another nation's capital.
If this happens I'd recommend "cheating" for the resources as that reduction was causes for a bug, this shouldn't be cosnidered a cheat.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

El Basto.

 

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hello! i have the new patch and "Super AI" new version.]

my problem is that when i conquer and annex my IC point do not go up. i can not use one new point for consumer or for science it is nowhere. i watch the country in the industry window and it starts at zero production, then becomes higher. but never do the IC come to me, not even one.

The IC in the central American provinces is about 5 for each. You get 1/3 of that when you annex them so that's only about 5/3 IC for each province. If Mexico is democratic it costs 40% dissent to DoW them. If it's paternal autocrat, it costs at least 2% of your IC. Do the math. What is your dissent?

As Jmpt and elbasto mentioned, you are liking losing IC because of all the DoWs. Download the updated manual found in the sticky on this forum and read the dissent section.

All you can do at this point is to put almost all of your IC into CG to reduce your dissent. Then after a while you will start to gain back some IC. If you have a security minister that increases foreign IC, use him. If you have a minister that lowers consumer good needs or reduces dissent, use him. But you will still have to put a lot into CG to reduce your dissent.

 

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hello again! thank you all for all the good letters!

i do not wait the IC to come back before i annex. is this a bad thing? i annex right away, no waiting.

i have play as brazil and i annex uruguay and same problem. i see IC grow from 0 to 9 but no change in my own IC but my dissent is lowering! very confusing.

also i have the problem of no resources. the manual is not true about infrastructure.

 

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No, the manual is not correct on many things. You should read the one posted as it is better.

 

[Heretic]

conquering more land may not directly benefit your economy,
but it deprives your opponent's economy,
which is an indirect benefit to you.

Heretic

 

[rado907]

What I really hate is when you conquer lands and the country you attacked from gets them. THAT'S not getting benefits for your conquests.
I mean, once I hate Slovakia (!!!) conquer the USSR! WTF?
Luckily, the bitter peace gave the provinces to me.
BUT had I tried to finish them off... Slovakia would have become the second or third most powerful country in the world... Without doing anything (they had like 1 moto div, 3 inf div and an awesome biplane fighter!).
Queer stuff.

 

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The conquer and control rule is if you attack from an ally's territory, then the ally gets the conquered territory, not you. Learn to deal with it as that's not going to change in HOI. Perhaps in HOI2.

 

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hello again! i do not wait the IC to come back before i annex. is this a bad thing? i annex right away, no waiting.

i have play as brazil and i annex uruguay and same problem. i see IC grow from 0 to 9 but no change in my own IC but my dissent is lowering! very confusing.

Your IC situation has nothing to do with waiting for the IC to go back to normal after the war damage is repaired. As I and others have posted, you only get 1/3 of IC when you annex. Uruguay is about 5 IC so you get almost nothing. And you get more dissent from a DoW so you can end up negative instead of positive.

Download the updated manual which is in pdf format:

http://www.stonyroad.de/files/tmp_20040301_v020.pdf