Sleepyhead said:Ok now that you've demonstrated that you can count means that you fail to understand what I said. Which means you don't count
Where are all the normal Eu2 players when i need them?
We are normal EU2 players.
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We are normal EU2 players.
I'll quote a famous Paradoxian on this one:Olaus Petrus said:We are normal EU2 players.
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King of Minors said:No, I am simply demonstrating that I can count. Contrary to what you seem to think.
Would've been rather appropriate to have shown him in an email or a PM, rather than clutter up the whole page. Don't do it again.
"Out of the box" France is very strong, and Lorraine has a whole lot of potential because of the two cultures it has (IIRC.) Sweden has some advantages too. So basically I'm just echoing what everyone else has said, but hey.
Navarra has two important cultures too, so they can also be a potential powerhouse.
I play vanilla, too. AGCEEP's all nice and fine, but I think there are too many events in vanilla, let alone AGCEEP.
I play vanilla, too. AGCEEP's all nice and fine, but I think there are too many events in vanilla, let alone AGCEEP.
What about Austria in the mid-game as "most" powerful? I've always thought of it as a strong force to play with. Does the fact that Austria has multitudes of enemies to worry about neaby act as a huge weakness?
Badawi said:
Early game Austria is a bit of a runt- just a big German minor. But it's powerful enough to diploannex other countries, and then it gets its aces in the hole- inheritance of Burgundy, Bohemia, and Hungary in vanilla, though the sequence is different in AGCEEP. The four cultures it has provides another boost. The biggest difficulty comes from balancing all the religions an Austrian empire will contain.
I play Vanilla!
The most powerful country to begin with (in 1492) is France. In 1419 it is Castile.
The most powerful country to begin with (in 1492) is France. In 1419 it is Castile.
AI France performs pretty nicely, as does AI Austria. AI Spain can perform well but in the GC it tends to keep split with Aragon. AI OE has some issues that in many games prevent them from doing as good as they can with a human ruling.
For a human in SP England can be quite interesting if you play the GC and retain French culture in 1453...
For a human in SP England can be quite interesting if you play the GC and retain French culture in 1453...
yls3431 said:how could we retrain french culture? I have never seen it before
If you keep all your original French provinces and conquer Picardie you won't lose the Hundred Years' War, and thus keep French culture (which England starts with in the 1419 Grand Campaign).
Sleepman (err some name) said:You two don't count.
Fine, I play vanilla too.
after testing any possible nation (well maybe except 1 province asian/african nations lol), especially in europe in the following mods: vanila/mymap/ageep mymap/ageep vanila/age of nationalism/age of imperialism/ep portugal/and some i must not remember (i do not include abberation/mongol scenarios...that are fun but do not meet the eu2 historical purpose or time frame...) I CAME TO FOLLOWING CONCLUSIONS...99percent of my games were done either in sp or in 2 players multiplayer(lord kitchiner as of past 2years or so, but a few others before as well.what can i say he's an eu2 addicted player as much as i am even if he would not probablly admit
)i have played hundreds of times each and single european major since this game came out, yet i prefer "testing" to writting ...i play very fast speed or above in mp...and most games have been at least done until after 1700 when usually you have a clear "winner"...i play on economic competition wich encompensates all the game values( in mp you have the ideology of each player that can set a game on a certain path and one only)
well there we go:
1-nothing and i mean nothing beats france in a long term gc( unless austria/england/spain contein her well in mp of course)...it is the very earlly money she can make that no other nation can keep up except ottos for a while)
1.5-many argue about spain and especially porto i see....however i must remember you that earlly colonialization is OF NO USE since the balance of money intake versus expenses will drag your economy anyway behind that of france wich having all her cores will always lead spain and porto (exception is spain when gets the gold but that is short lived...p) i always have a lough when i see some human portugal so happy about having the maps first, not realising that the balance between owning only cultural provinces that one needs to spend no money to develop other then balifs will dellay spain and porto in getting the earlly land tech needed in smashing your world domination ambitions....not to mention the military sliders pale for this iberian "majors" and only pure slider random events can make thm better faster then those of france for example
2--the second most important nation is ottomans...they can actually keep up with france for a long time and even get a bigger census=good conversions...if ottos gets all its cores converted by 1550's and especially with the earlly 2 awsome monarchs( not the first one do) ottos will always stay in the game...however due to its way poorer provinces then those of france, the tech will fall behind that of france eventually( if they both research the same) the trick with ottos is to stay ONLY within cultural provinces until get trade/infra 6 and all converted...after all ottos has the potential to expand the most without bb wars (having aristocracy at maximum all time)
3--third would be austria...is the nation that diploannexation comes natural(not mentioning the inheritances) if austria makes use of every single diplomat it has can literally own all germany and itally+poland at times by 1600 and that with 1/2 of bb limit...10 aristocracy is a must and an earlly war to get some extra german provinces for census purposes to have money for relations is a must as well)
3.5--i just add here that russia always been a dissipointment for me..it has ideed a good defensive due to winter and can break another human neighbour just by throwing 4ducats infantry at them....however tech wise and also due to its poor provinces russia will never have the potential to be a great power other then local power...well poland-russia--sweeden wars always fun anyway...
4--my fourth favorite is poland and that especially in the mods...it has a lot of possibilities even in mp, good monarchs, good census base, good possible conversions...i always did way better as a protestant poland if gets barthoy to have a lot of money so he can eficentlly convert in a very very quick time!. trick with poand is to expand slowlly at first and always stay under 1/2bb limit 10serfdom/low inno/10 aristocracy....poland starts with excelent military sliders...german vassals can literally boost her up imenslly....just dont go "i want meck now!" ...lols
( that is for hall)other quick references to nations.....-rajaputana has 10/10/10 military sliders in ageep...imagine...
--ak konoyu has 2 excelent monarchs earlly on (hussan is 446 i believe) and starts with 800 ducats on very hard...take a look
--china i find it a waste of time due to its rr events especially in vanila( if do not expand china very good, but would you just "sit" with that monster for 200y at least?)
---navara has an excelent starting position+ cultures=awsome
---my best minor is barbant...in vanila especially if the first war goes right the 1 province minor becomes instantlly major power(*but a bad monarch all game pisses me off...p)
---venice always fun to stay alive while growing
--inca empire in ageep can literally become an awsome local power at least
---maroco n ageep just simplly rocks! many events and shongay as well
---uzbek is imenslly fun in ageep!! take a look youll know what i mean
---an intreasting catholic congo in 1500 converted by portugal events in ageep...
off the topic i remember an imenslly fun game for me:
me portugal. an another 5 humans diffrent pagan nations in africa ( vanilla)...after force converting them all...i had all game been keeping the peace lol since they keep "haiting " each other....that shall bring on the aspect of how the "white man" has managed to make great colonial empieres...
once you have a "god" it is funny how all the litle minions will give up ay hope to "get you" and instead just compete on each other while your "godness" becomes even greater....i find an intreasting thought in this...eu2 is a great life learning tool after all...
In fact, you lose french culture IF you don't have ownership of Gascogne, Poitou, Normandie, Caux, Picardie and Calais (specifically, all five starting french provinces + Picardie, as you say) AND at the same time France still exists (or reappears).Chaingun said:
So, if France does not exist anymore, but Gascogne (e.g.) is owned by Spain (e.g.), you keep french culture.
If then, France reappears (released as vassal, or through a revolt, or because one of hte french minors conquers Ile-de-France), you will then lose french culture. Even if it's 1818 and you've been the only King France ever had for the last 399 years.