I just got a PU with Russia as Poland/CW... Now what?

[wildbillhdmax01]

I got a Succession war with Sweden(I know right?) over Russia. Don't even ask me how. I won, now what?

Now this isn't the first time this has happened. I got a PU with Russia as CW before without even a war, but that was a looooooooooooooooooooooooooog time ago. Like a really long time ago, like when you could still annex them no matter of big they were. I just got back into EU4 and bought all the DLC. So much has changed that I don't know what to do about this. I can't integrate them because well.... because they're HUGE! So WTF now?

 

[Fanstar1]

I got a Succession war with Sweden(I know right?) over Russia. Don't even ask me how. I won, now what?

Now this isn't the first time this has happened. I got a PU with Russia as CW before without even a war, but that was a looooooooooooooooooooooooooog time ago. Like a really long time ago, like when you could still annex them no matter of big they were. I just got back into EU4 and bought all the DLC. So much has changed that I don't know what to do about this. I can't integrate them because well.... because they're HUGE! So WTF now?

other than making sure they don't rebel, use them.

 

[wildbillhdmax01]

other than making sure they don't rebel, use them.

and what about abuse?

 

[Fanstar1]

and what about abuse?

abusing what? As long as they don't get destroyed or rebel against you, all is good.

 

[Badesumofu]

The big point to make is that you do not need to be focused on integration. A strong PU is often more useful as a subject than integrated, especially if you are at your state-limit.

If you want to integrate for an achievement or something like that, you'll find that it becomes much cheaper in the late game, especially with Influence-Admin. Combine the 25% from Influence with 20% from policy and you're at 55% of the base cost. Then add in 70% administrative efficiency and it drops to 16.5% of base cost or 1.32 DIP per development.

So given that A) they are likely more useful to you as a subject, and B) it gets much cheaper to integrate in the end-game, my advice is to get them stabilised (high relations, low LD) make use of their millitary and keep in mind that PU subjects do not get any LD from development. That means you can feed them to arbitrarily high levels of development.

You can also steal their ducats once they are safely loyal. Look for the Siphon Income subject interaction.

 

[wildbillhdmax01]

abusing what? As long as they don't get destroyed or rebel against you, all is good.

it's a joke. You know, because I'm going to "Use and abuse them'.

The big point to make is that you do not need to be focused on integration. A strong PU is often more useful as a subject than integrated, especially if you are at your state-limit.

If you want to integrate for an achievement or something like that, you'll find that it becomes much cheaper in the late game, especially with Influence-Admin. Combine the 25% from Influence with 20% from policy and you're at 55% of the base cost. Then add in 70% administrative efficiency and it drops to 16.5% of base cost or 1.32 DIP per development.

So given that A) they are likely more useful to you as a subject, and B) it gets much cheaper to integrate in the end-game, my advice is to get them stabilised (high relations, low LD) make use of their millitary and keep in mind that PU subjects do not get any LD from development. That means you can feed them to arbitrarily high levels of development.

You can also steal their ducats once they are safely loyal. Look for the Siphon Income subject interaction.

See that's the thing, that's how I use to play, and think back in the day. The problem is their LD is through the roof, and I'm not sure If I'll be able to get it down since they're so big. They also seem to have a tendency to think they're more powerful then me(They're not. Russian eh?). I've beaten them in every war. That's why I'm so loss on where to go from here. In all honesty I don't trust them, I know they're going to stab me in the back for some reason.

 

[pttaylor]

The AI puts a lot of emphasis on raw army size, which is probably part of why Russia thinks it can take you. Try blobbing a bit to up your own army size; unless Russia's at 100 LD they won't try for independence while you're at war.
Opinion matters a lot for LD, though, and if you were their rival until now they probably start out hating you; getting 200 points of improved relations can go a long way.

 

[Dominion]

The AI puts a lot of emphasis on raw army size, which is probably part of why Russia thinks it can take you. Try blobbing a bit to up your own army size; unless Russia's at 100 LD they won't try for independence while you're at war.

Subjects don't declare independence while their overlord is at war on the current patch. They could have 3000% LD and wouldn't revolt if you're busy fighting an OPM.

 

[ponasozis]

its fine just improve relations with them and have your army up to limit
if you see somebody supporting russian independence attack some opm and just use the war to increase relations with pu
you can also sink in prestige to placate them in subject interaction screen and support loyalist and stuff like that
hell even developing their land decreases their LD

because you are PLC russia naturally hates you from all the past wars but once you get relations up it will be normal like any other subject

also lmao this isexactlyy what happened in history PLC pued russia while sweden intervened and with the help of some russians chased PLC away

 

[wildbillhdmax01]

This is what things look like. I can't get them under 75.

 

[Dominion]

Support Loyalists.

 

[wildbillhdmax01]

Support Loyalists.

Even with it now still having trouble getting them under 50.

 

[Arinsar]

Easiest way to fast reduce LD is develop their provinces.

 

[Dominion]

Even with it now still having trouble getting them under 50.

Yea, but you aren't having any trouble getting them below 75 anymore.
Never said anything about below 50

You have 113k manpower. Build some troops or just develop a single province twice.

Iirc you get -5%LD every time you develop a province.

 

[wildbillhdmax01]

Easiest way to fast reduce LD is develop their provinces.

Yea, but you aren't having any trouble getting them below 75 anymore.
Never said anything about below 50

You have 113k manpower. Build some troops or just develop a single province twice.

Iirc you get -5%LD every time you develop a province.

Thank you both of you. That worked wonders!

 

[Fanstar1]

also don't be afraid to spend prestige to reduce LD

 

[Dominion]

also don't be afraid to spend prestige to reduce LD

It's a PU, not a vassal.

 

[Fanstar1]

It's a PU, not a vassal.

oh, I forgot that PUs work that way, haven't played vanilla EUIV in a while.

 

[ChloePech]

Just permadeclare war and use that to gain strength. Eat your way through Scandinavia, thats probably your best bet for now. Dont worry about LD- just focus on getting stronger to raise your force limit.

 

[atwix]

slap diplomat on them and enable loyalists. develop if needed to get them below 50% ld.

farm prestige, as PU subjects get 1% ld for each point overlord is in negative prestige. -100 prestige is 100 LD in PU subject, so farm that prestige!

be at war constantly, and never be at peace for a day. Unions get -50 malus to declare independence if overlord (and them) are in a war.

If you own Cossacks dlc, you can conquer provinces near them, and then you can grant the conquered provinces with the subject window option. If the conquered provinces border them by land or sea zone, you can grant those provinces to them.
It will lower their liberty desire, and THEY got to attack the rebels that follow. Its a great way to weaken subjects.

And constant warfare (leading their armies around with 1k stack with attach on) will lower their army strength, which will all in all result in docile PU subjects.

If one of them goes above 50+% ld, then enable loyalist faction. You have to prevent PU subjects from allying, which they will do if one goes above 50%.

If someone supports their independence, then rival them and crush them with humiliate rival cb.

Keeping free rival slot for nations that support subject independence guarantees a CB to stomp those supporters the minute they support your PU subject independence. if its eglible rival.