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This game I mean. The sheer size of the game is too much for me. I've been playing HoI2 and EU2 for years now and I was able to overcome the learning curve. I don't think I can do it with this game. I've tried reading up all the FAQs and guides I can get my hands on, here and at the wiki, and still no luck.

I guess there is really no point to this post but sometimes you get so frustrated you need to vent it somehow. :p
 

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Try and get one aspect at a time.
I'd recommend ignoring the military part of the game until you understand the economics, and I'd thoroughly recommend playing as the UK, as you'll be utterly swimming in money so you can afford to play with things and not care about the concequences.
Some very vital points would be:
Remember that YOU pay for imports, but your POPs get the profit from them, which is taxed by you. So early on in the game, you can pay alot of money to import goods for factories, but the profit is so small that the amount taxed is smaller than how much it costs to import goods, so you can easily make quite a nasty loss.
Be sure to know which RGOs are worth keeping open and which aren't. That is to say, from which RGOs you should draw POPs for factories from, and which make a pretty good profit. Usually I keep open coal, iron and sulpher (at 2.5 level or above. Anything lower and the profit is too small), while closing the food RGOs, as they make very little profit and it's easier to import.
Once you understand the much more basic economies of RGOs, the rest of the economic system should gradually fit into place.
Hope I've helped!
 

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I'd recommend not even bothering to look at the UK until you've played a smaller country first. They're just too overwhelming and get dragged all over the place through events.

Play a small nation like Belgium, preferably with resources you can exploit.

If you get DOW'ed and you don't feel like dealing with it until you know the basics, just use the neville cheat, get peace, then turn neville off again and play on as normal.
 

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Or, try the USA. A larger nation, to be sure, but it has everything you could ever ask for: events, large population, a simple war, and colonial expansion.

Also, a less than simple war, but that's splitting hairs.
 
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Honestly, I have been playing this game since it came out. I have played probably every nation. I have tried a expansionist Russia, a Isolationist United Kingdom and a French conquest and rule of Europe and North America.

I can make my economy run bad at the best of times, my military is defeated far too often. I have been playing this game for years. I think to myself even with thousands of years of play time, I would still not get what the heck I was doing.
 

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You might want to reduce rich taxes and get a party in power which has a laissez-faire approach to economics (might be a good idea to try this out in the WW1 scenario for example) as to ignore the economic part on the beginning and toy around with diplomacy, war and so on a bit (watch out that this doesn't give you a daily negative income though). Alternatively I can recommend Prussia, my first game in Vicky was as Prussia and it was quite enjoyable even though I had no real clue how to deal with the economic part, which resulted in a Germany that still had a mostly feudal economy :D But not properly managing your economy is quite compensable with Prussia, so you might want to consider it.
 

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I had the exact same problem my first time out of the gate. And the second. And the third.

Look. There is really a lot to this particular game. There is no shame in not getting it the first time. Pick a country, start the game and play it for an evening. If you are enjoying the game when it comes time to save and shut down, then restart it the next time. If not, then shut it down and pick another country the next time.

I generally recommend playing a smaller country that you can more easily keep track of what is going on, and as has already been said, I would also recommend concentrating on the economic side of things. The military is not going to work for you if you don't have the economy under control anyway, so try to learn how to make your country productive and your pops happy, or at least not quite so mad. ;)

I even recommend getting the list of cheat codes and if things start getting out of hand, use an appropriate cheat to bring things back in line for you. You can use this method to concentrate on a particular facet of the game as well.

So don't sweat it. Hey! I've been playing the game for thirty years and I still suck at it. :D
 

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I personally think the best part of Victoria is how hard to grasp all concepts of the game is. During every single game, regardless of which country I'm playing as, I always learn a thing or two. And I'm never frustrated, ever. That's Vicky's charm.
 

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I didn't "get" the game until quite recently. It's complicated as hell. I've been playing it off and on for almost a year now and it wasn't until earlier this month that I started making countries that could turn a longterm profit.

I think it's easily the best game Paradox has ever made. Besides some weird Diplomacy AI I really don't have any problems with it.

Get Revolutions, if you haven't. It really does make the game that much better.
 

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I must've read the wiki 10 times before I even bought the game, and then another 10,000 since, and I'm just now beginning to feel comfortable in the mechanics of the game, and even then, i STILL foul things up royally every third game or so.

So like everyone said, keep at it, the reward is SOOOOO worth it, especially in comparison to HoI2/EU2, someday you'll look back at those games with a whimsical semi-condescending smile and remember a much, much simpler time in your life when you didn't have to use so much brain power. :D

(And stay away from GB or even the US as a starter nations, they're waaaay too overwhelming. I found Spain and Belgium particularly useful starting countries. And remember, this is not HoI2 or EU2, you have to care about your people, your economy, and your national relations. WC is not an option out of the box :))
 

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When I first got they game few years back I printed out the whole vickywiki and made it into a folder at my desk while I played.... I studied it all the time at work while during any free time.... and I still couldn't get the hang of the game... then I took the advice of the forum members and started playin nations like Brazil and Belgium were I could just focus on the economical aspect of the game.... that's when I started to grasp the game.... I have yet to finish first in a game however that's hardly my goal... just try an master one concept of the game at a time... South American nations are good for this....
 

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tey216 said:
When I first got they game few years back I printed out the whole vickywiki and made it into a folder at my desk while I played.... I studied it all the time at work while during any free time.... and I still couldn't get the hang of the game... then I took the advice of the forum members and started playin nations like Brazil and Belgium were I could just focus on the economical aspect of the game.... that's when I started to grasp the game.... I have yet to finish first in a game however that's hardly my goal... just try an master one concept of the game at a time... South American nations are good for this....

Oddly enough, Vicky is the ONLY paradox game I've ever played to completion, that is, starting at the earliest possible point, and playing the game until it's end point. Couldn't do it in EU2, not HoI2, and DEFINITELY not CK :)
 

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kbromer said:
Oddly enough, Vicky is the ONLY paradox game I've ever played to completion, that is, starting at the earliest possible point, and playing the game until it's end point. Couldn't do it in EU2, not HoI2, and DEFINITELY not CK :)
Same here. :)

I think it's because you never really run out of stuff to do in Vicky. Always something to be improved upon.
 

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I'm finding Switzerland excellent to play. I'm still learning the economic side of the game, and I'm finding it relatively easy and simple to learn with Switzerland. I recommend it, you're not likely to be attacked, you have some good resources and you're relatively safe.

I'm finding it extremely fun to build railroads everywhere. :D

I still have no idea how to get more POPs into the country to work in the factories my capitalists are building though, so I guess that's another step I'll have to learn next game.
 

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i gotta be honest, i really can't figure this game out.

i want to like it, i DO like it, but it drives me up the wall at times.

what the hell are RGO's??
what does pluracy have to do with anything?
why do i never have enough 'pops' (wtf are pops??) to fully man my factories?
when do i grant statehood to various nations to make it worthwhile?
why when i'm at war do i need two seperate armies, one to fight on the front lines and one to hold/subdue/occupy the territory i've ALREADY conquored?? how the f*$k can the US constantly build divisions when i've captured virtually any province worth anything?

and most importantly, WHY THE HELL CAN'T YOU BLOCKADE SOMEBODY'S PORT'S???

someone please explain this to me. that was how the British Empire ruled the world, because they could cut off all supplies to the aggressor nation. you simply can't do it in this game.

it's annoying as hell.
 

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caffran said:
what the hell are RGO's??
Resource Gathering Operations. Those little coal mines, fisheries, grain farms, and what not that gather the basic resources.
caffran said:
what does pluracy have to do with anything?
Plurality increases your POP's consciousness, which is good for democratic countries, does nothing for constitutional monarchies, and is bad for any sort of autocratic government.
caffran said:
why do i never have enough 'pops' (wtf are pops??) to fully man my factories?
Go into a POP's details screen, and there should be a button that says 'Split' if the POP is above 40,000 in size. Click this and you will, obviously, split the POP. It's an easy way to make your whole economy run more smoothly.
caffran said:
when do i grant statehood to various nations to make it worthwhile?
I believe it's up to you, really. Granting statehood allows factories to be built in the provinces and allows you to create regulars from national soldier POPs in the state rather than colonials.
 

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caffran said:
what the hell are RGO's??

Resource Gathering Operations - where raw materials are produced for your economy for consumption by POPs or use to produce manufactured goods. They are the bedrock of your economy until you become a fully industrialized nation.

what does pluracy have to do with anything?

Per Vickywiki :
Plurality is essentially defined as your population’s demand of and desire for social reforms and democracy. Think about it: even the name itself implies the meaning—the higher the level of personal input into a society, the higher the level of personal expectation from the government. This value—a percent visible in your country’s political screen—can be thought to stand for how Liberal your country is becoming.

Basically its the change in attitude of you population from being subjects of a ruler to citizens of a state, with all the expectations of rights and support from the state in exchange for loyalty to the state that modern concepts of citizenship implies.

why do i never have enough 'pops' (wtf are pops??) to fully man my factories?

POPs are your country's workforce population. A POP represents 4 people in raw numbers (basically the male head of household in a famliy with wife and 2 children).

You employ POPs for various tasks - produce raw materials (farmers/laborers/slaves/aristocrats), produce industrial goods (craftsmen/clerks/capitalists), provide military power for your nation (officers/soldiers) or spiritual uplift and moral grounding (clergymen)

Just like in a real nation the number of POPs grows over time through either natural increase (provided they get the minimum life needs to sustain themselves) or immigration.

As you transform your economy from primarily raw-material based production to industrial production, you shift POPs from one segment of the economy to another. If you industrialize beyond the number of POPs that you have, you'll end up with a labor shortage that might be fillable with immigration or might sit unfulfilled until your population growth matches your industrial expansion.

when do i grant statehood to various nations to make it worthwhile?

Statehood makes territories full part of you nation. That means they no longer can be conquered in colonial wars by hostile powers, but it also means the POPs living in the new state will expect the same degree of services and rights that those in other states have. This can be costly if you have lots of social reforms (which only go to POPs living in states IIRC, not colonies). Plus in elections voters in states that meet your voting qualifications have the vote - there is no vote from the colonies. So making a territory a state is worthwhile if you want to ensure it can not be grabbed in a colonial war - it's a geopolitical decision more than anything else.

why when i'm at war do i need two seperate armies, one to fight on the front lines and one to hold/subdue/occupy the territory i've ALREADY conquored?? how the f*$k can the US constantly build divisions when i've captured virtually any province worth anything?

You've not conquered the territory, only occupied the territory. You have the risk of needing to deal with partisans behind the lines, and the ability of the nation you are fighting to try and keep up the struggle by sabatoging you behind the lines.

and most importantly, WHY THE HELL CAN'T YOU BLOCKADE SOMEBODY'S PORT'S???

someone please explain this to me. that was how the British Empire ruled the world, because they could cut off all supplies to the aggressor nation. you simply can't do it in this game.

it's annoying as hell.

One of the biggest missing things in Victoria, agreed. While I was not part of the original development team, I can think of a couple of reasons why they might not be included

1 - it would add yet another level of complication to military matters in a game that is not about warfare and military conquest, but rather about internal management and economic transformation. Victoria is the mirror opposite of HoI, where the emphasis is on the military at the expense of the internal society. In HoI you can fight a war without nary a concern about what your home population is thinking or doing. In Victoria, going to war without your home society being stable and happy, or fighting a war for decades, will land you in heaps of internal unhappiness from your POPs. In the end, Victoria is not a war game. In fact, you can win in Victoria with some countries without ever having to fight a war against another nation if you so choose - just focus on economic development and building up a strong military deterrent.

2 - how do you define access to the world market. If you are ENG fighting GER, you can have a naval blockade, but GER borders neutral nations, with whom the rules of war in theory allow trade to continue with both sides in a conflict. So how do you render the restriction of access of supplies in the world market to reflect the fact that while GER's ports might be blockaded (and here you can blockade access to colonial production by stationing ships in the seazones along the coast of colonies) GER is still going to be able to import some, perhaps even most of the goods it needs from the World Market via neutral nations. And how much additional processing power would be needed to run all the calcualtions necessary to do the math to figure out percent access, in a game that is already numbers heavy and had a minimum requirement of only a 450 MHz processor and 128 MB RAM (keep in mind, Victoria was developed in 2002-2003, when computing power was much less than the average home computer today).

Now, hopefully with the source code released for Victoria to third party development, this is something that can be worked on and improved in whatever expansion packs might result.
 

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Look for the link to the AAR in OHGamer's sig titled "Power By Production". It's for VIP (an excellent mod for Vicky, play regular vicky, then install VIP for a whole new game) but is an excellent "Beginner's Guide" for the basics of gameplay in the vanilla version too.
 

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strange, I 'got' Vicky quite quickly, maybe because of my previous love affair with EUII and III but I tried and tried and couldn't get a handle on HOI II.

All I can contribute here is ...persevere,it is a great game, and take the game one aspect at a time.