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ikki said:
The screenshot actually shows that the war has already begun. "At war with:", just beneath the difficulty rating.
Elminster12 said:
The way both Rome and Carthage dealt with setbacks clearly shows who had more backbone. Every time Rome suffers defeat, she raises yet another fleet and/or army and is determined to fight on. Carthage, as a city, not selected army or general, regains her fighting spirit only after she's completely cornered by Romans.
Anyway, it would be interesting to see how the differences are modeled in game.
nalivayko said:
The nation ideas probably help a lot to simulate this. With Rome having "military republic" and Carthage probably "oligarchy" (or maybe they call it "merchant republic" in the game
). Rome will have some bonuses for their military while Carthage wont have any, possibly even penalties. And of course the difference in manpower is easy. And Carthage will have higher income.Its gonna be interesting to see how mercenaries are done in the game though. What their availability is, if its the same as EU3.
See the screenshot, Carthage is a military republic. There are no merchants but trade routes.
Seelensturm said:
Oh yea, that i did not see. possibly because i did not want to
Carthage a military republic, thats just preposterous!
mandead said:comagoosie, where did you find that screenshot? First time I've seen it...
Take a look here
ikki said:
Part of my assessment is based on the fact that the Romans suffered many crushing defeats in both the first and second Punic Wars and always managed to bounce back. The Carthaginians had a much harder time recovering from their losses, indicating less staying power, hence less national power.
someone doesn't look at my thread.mandead said:comagoosie, where did you find that screenshot? First time I've seen it...
Mrdie said:Can anyone list a definite date of anything (as in, year, month, and day) that happened in this period?
Ides of March?
Swamp Rat said:Oh yea, that i did not see. possibly because i did not want to
To be fair, Carthage during the 2PW was very close to a military republic
lwarmonger said:
Wrong - Carthage was in all ways a more vast, more powerful and more military competent empire. The only reason Carthage didn't defeat Rome was due to political infighting and lack of proper support for Hannibal on the mainland.
In many ways it is one of the biggest turnarounds and unexpected victories in history - of Rome defeating Carthage.
tyrspawn said:
Um, no. That is part of the reason for the Carthaginian defeat in the 2nd Punic War, however every account of that time indicates through simple logic that Rome had a far greater and more dependable pool of manpower than Carthage did. Carthage relied upon mercenaries for a reason.
You will notice that in both the first and second Punic Wars that Rome endured defeat after defeat, some of them quite crushing. Yet they were always able to construct more navies and raise additional legions and recover. The Carthaginians lost only a few major battles, yet those lost battles meant the end of Carthaginian power in the areas in which they were lost.
Just because contemporaries didn't expect it doesn't mean it wasn't probable.
Funny picture with Carthage, check out the words at the bottom there, "Furthermore I think Rome should be destroyed." HAH! ..too funny.
That is pretty great! I swear, some of Cato's stuff is just like that too!
"To bake a cake you need milk, eggs, vanilla, sugar, flour and... Carthago delenda est."
"To bake a cake you need milk, eggs, vanilla, sugar, flour and... Carthago delenda est."
baelthazar said:
Actually, if I recall correctly he ended nearly every speech he made between the wars with "and in my opinion, Carthage must be destroyed."
Not a friend to Carthage.
Man, I really hope this game is about taking one or two key provinces from enemies instead of totally destroying them. Take their silver mines, you know? Anyway..that's my last thought before the end of work..also, Where the heck is our Dev Diary?! I will take their vindaloo! Whatever that is...
tyrspawn said:
Hmm, I can see that Carthage is the Byzantium
I would doubt this since Carthage was never able to defeat Syracuse. How many times did Carthage and Syracuse fight and Carthage was never able to eliminate them?? That doesnt sound like a vast, more powerful empire to me.
The lack of political support and infighting is part of the war process. If you have this, it shows a lack of national strength.