I heard there was going to be a multiplayer game livestreamed soon...

[Victor Cortez]

I dont care about Quill18s Impressions. He never played HOI more than 50 hours. He cant give an impression of a game he never really played. He has one letsplay with 10 videos about Republican Spain....

If he would give his impressions about EU5, i would care. But not HOI4.

And now attack me for my opinion....

Of course there are other people more "qualified", but I'm still interested in his opinions (or anyone's who has played/seen the game for that matter).

 

[fabius]

I dont care about Quill18s Impressions. He never played HOI more than 50 hours. He cant give an impression of a game he never really played. He has one letsplay with 10 videos about Republican Spain....

If he would give his impressions about EU5, i would care. But not HOI4.

And now attack me for my opinion....

True, but good grief just get some darn new shots and vids out to us already!!!

 

[Victor Cortez]

True, but good grief just get some darn new shots and vids out to us already!!!

They said the embargo will be lifted on Monday

 

[fabius]

They said the embargo will be lifted on Monday

Thanks; but that's still some time off from when the youtubers started playing with it.

 

[safe-keeper]

I dont care about Quill18s Impressions. He never played HOI more than 50 hours. He cant give an impression of a game he never really played. He has one letsplay with 10 videos about Republican Spain....

If he would give his impressions about EU5, i would care. But not HOI4.

So it's the impression of someone new to the game series. Don't see the problem .

 

[nigo]

I dont care about Quill18s Impressions. He never played HOI more than 50 hours. He cant give an impression of a game he never really played. He has one letsplay with 10 videos about Republican Spain....

If he would give his impressions about EU5, i would care. But not HOI4.

+1

 

[misterbean]

I dont care about Quill18s Impressions. He never played HOI more than 50 hours. He cant give an impression of a game he never really played. He has one letsplay with 10 videos about Republican Spain....

If he would give his impressions about EU5, i would care. But not HOI4.

And now attack me for my opinion....

I saw that too, and it was pathetic. On the other hand, if he can make it work, this time around, that would mean a lot for all the newbies hoping to pick this up when comes out.

 

[Tuskin38]

I dont care about Quill18s Impressions. He never played HOI more than 50 hours. He cant give an impression of a game he never really played. He has one letsplay with 10 videos about Republican Spain....

If he would give his impressions about EU5, i would care. But not HOI4.

And now attack me for my opinion....

It is good for those who have not played HOI a lot. If he can get into it then that means its easier to get into.

Which I think is a good thing.

 

[Invader_Canuck]

Of course no one will win a real war with air power alone... not if the intention is to occupy a sovereign soil. In order to occupy an opponents soil you will need forces on the ground to control it, air power will not give you that ability.

Air power can however make sure that your ground troops are more or less assured to win and keep losses to a minimum. Certain campaigns such as Dessert Storm would most likely have failed unless the air domination had not been so total... countries such as the US would never had accepted the losses in human life to that extent.

Is it possible to use air power to bomb a nation into total submission so they surrender without the use of ground forces... perhaps... it is theoretically possible but not very likely.

The Germans in WWII would never have been able to defeat both Poland and France so quickly and with such few losses if they had not had the air force that they did and able to use it in they way they did. WWII would most likely have ended in the same way that WWI ended without the overwhelming power of the early Luftwaffe.

The best example of this is the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia over Kosovo. It was strictly an air campaign. It also muddies the water because Yugoslavia did ultimately surrender despite the ineffectiveness of the campaign. Right up until Milosevic surrendered, NATO was debating internally how awful the campaign was going and how ineffective it was.

The issue is basically, in a desert, it is probably possible to bomb an enemy state into submission with just airpower. Anywhere else it is probably impossible to do it conventionally if the enemy is willing to continue fighting. Geography is the obvious reason for that. Desert = unlimited visibility most of the time. Whereas anywhere else, mountains, trees, and cover give the defending force too many advantages to conceal their forces. The actual intervention of ground troops is believed to be necessary to bring airpower to bear effectively in these circumstances.

NATO Yugoslavia is even more critical in this, because it was a war with limited objectives and even then the surrender was pretty much a complete shock to NATO. This is all getting off topic however.

My concern is with WW2 and over modelling the power of air in any regard. The tweets made it seem like Johan won the first game almost single handedly with bombers.

 

[misterbean]

B-17 were mentioned specifically. If you use them right, you don't need a whole lot of them (at least in HOI 3) to send an entire front OOS, whereas in reality, the Allies bombed the French countryside around Normandy for months to slow the German reinforcements down enough.

 

[davekeke]

I just wanna see some "real" gameplay lulz

 

[smederevo991]

The best example of this is the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia over Kosovo. It was strictly an air campaign.

That's not quite true, there was an organized land push from Albania in early April. KLA force of about 6.000 backed by Albanian army and NATO SF commandos tried to push into Yugoslavia in the region of Kosare, but were held there by a small border force of the Yugoslav army. One could argue that these weren't NATO soldiers on the ground fighting this battle, but it's a fact that NATO was using KLA as its infantry, or should I say cannon fodder, on the ground.


As for your other claims, that NATO was shocked by Milosevic's offer for peace, that also not quite true. First of all, while planing the aggression against Yugoslavia in 1998, NATO expected it would last only a couple of days, a week at most. Who could blame them, after all they sent almost 1.000 military aircraft vs only a couple of yugoslav Mig-29s who had some serious malfunctions. So yes they were shocked, shocked that it took 78 days of non-stop bombing, to make Milosevic ask for peace. And he did that only after NATO started bombing civilian targets such as hospitals, water proccessing plants, bridges, schools, car factories, and even apartmant blocks and civilian houses, because of their frustration of not being able to do any serious damage to the Yugo army on the ground, which ended the war almost completly unscratched.

 

[gnome109]

They said the embargo will be lifted on Monday

Yeah, I was a bit confused as to the point of the embargo.

 

[jye42]

Yeah, I was a bit confused as to the point of the embargo.

I would say the embargo was so that the Common Sense let's plays would get some attention before HOI4 steals all the thunder.

 

[grandad1982]

Yeah, I was a bit confused as to the point of the embargo.

So more traditional press can get a chance to ready content that YouTuber's can put out more quickly would be my guess.

 

[podcat]

Yeah, I was a bit confused as to the point of the embargo.

Its because journalists are traveling long distances so you want to give everyone time to get home, and also not to have to rush stuff out to be first etc. Better for both them and you really.

 

[gnome109]

Its because journalists are traveling long distances so you want to give everyone time to get home, and also not to have to rush stuff out to be first etc. Better for both them and you really.

Thanks for the explanation.