I have the largest economy, but I do not make much money.

[unmerged(32323)]

The year is 1680, I have the largest economy in the game. I am England, I own all of France, Spain, and most of the German minors as well as hal of Italy. I also own the entire North American seacoast as well as numerous other colonies elsewhere.

When I am at 0 stability I only get about 300ducats per year. When I am at +3 stability I get about 650ducats. This does not seem like much at all though. I currently am involved in trading, although I tend to get embargoed a lot, espcially by Portugal who still exists, and that hurts alot. I have not taken the Incas yet. Am I doing something wrong? or does my money seem average?

 

[Lurken]

What are your trade and production effency? And with all that extra prov, that has surely wrong culture, and probalby wrong religion, you do not get much cash from those provs.

Furthermore, avoid getting embargoed by not spamming with traders and avoid to get a mono unless you own the CoT or you know that the owner doesn't have the appropiate Trade Tech.

 

[unmerged(32323)]

I only have about 5 wrong religion provinces, and I won th eHYW so France is mostly my culture/religion.

What should my trade/prodiuction efficiency be?

About how much money should I be getting a year on average? I thought I read that most people are getting more than 1k ducats a year at this point.

 

[labalag]

What should my trade/prodiuction efficiency be?

What's your trade/infrastructure level? How higher these are the more money you'll get from trading/production.

 

[Rythin]

If I go warmonger (like you did with your England), by 1650 I have ~3000-4000 ducats a year. So yes, you are below average

 

[ForzaA]

What you have to be careful of is the difference between tax income added on Jan 1st (which most people usually don't even mention) and monthly income used for tech investment, minting money, etc.

300 seems a little on the low side, while 650 sounds like a reasonable number ...but there shouldn't be such a difference between stab 0 and 3, unless you have revoltrisk at 0 stab, in which case you should try to see if you can do something about that.

 

[unmerged(9404)]

About how much money should I be getting a year on average? I thought I read that most people are getting more than 1k ducats a year at this point.

Don't fret too much if you don't make as much money as some of the experts here. They will also say that if you don't max out the economic techs by 1600 you are doing miserably

 

[unmerged(20077)]

What levels of Infra and Trade do you have?

 

[TimurLank]

stop sending merchants. now (im surely) u have monopoly, or at least level under monopoly in all european CoTs. now u sending merchants on zanzibar, ishafan and others for 18 ducats for one merchants. u dont get any bonuses of it, so you loose on that more than 100ducats for year. do you have tax collector in all provinces anyway. and how much inflation u have???

 

[unmerged(32323)]

I have about 15% inflation. I definetly have tax collectors in all places I conquer. I am still not sure what I am doing wrong. To the person who said he makes 3-4k per year, is ost of that from trading?

My trade tech is just about 4 I think and Infra is level 5, maybe six.

 

[TimurLank]

I have about 15% inflation. I definetly have tax collectors in all places I conquer. I am still not sure what I am doing wrong. To the person who said he makes 3-4k per year, is ost of that from trading?

My trade tech is just about 4 I think and Infra is level 5, maybe six.

the ''guy'' who said that have 3-4 k ducats on years, have also 300-400 provinces.

 

[Rythin]

Not at all, TimurLank. Merely provinces that form the Holy Roman Empire in 1419 excluding Italy. And maybe one outside.

BTW, are we talking about revenue or profit? If profit... I understand your indignation

 

[arcorelli]

BTW, of what income we are talking?
Monthly revenue?
Annual income?
Census? (the bunch of money you get Jan 1st)

Because 300-600 as census do not look that bad. 300-600 monthly revenue do not look that bad either.

And as annual income looks positively impossible (England+France+Spain should gave you 400-500 as census, put production income and 300-600 is impossible as annual).

And if you got trade 4 and infra 5: Build governors. Put the minting slider at around 10-15% (so inflation decreases but you got money every month) and trade, trade, trade. That is only proven way to be uber rich.

 

[Desertfox]

Build more manufactories?

 

[TimurLank]

Build more manufactories?

build more rafineries

 

[unmerged(25609)]

Milk, do you mean that on January 1st, you receive 300d? If so, you aren't doing very well for someone who owns England AND France. But what amount do you receive in census tax? What portion of your income derives from trade? What are your expenses?

You SHOULD, by 1680, be an economic powerhouse - you must own at least 3 COT. You SHOULD have 5 merchants in virtually every COT in the world. Your inflation couldn't be 15%, if you were building governors.

Your infra and trade should be much higher, and your inflation should be 0%, by this time. I suspect that you've been leaking money since 1419, and that you've been researching land / naval tech, and fighting many wars. Too many?

Maybe you should consult the economy FAQ; it's excellent. I'm not a very good player, but with England, whether you conquer France or not, you should hit infra 5 / trade 5 in the early 1500s .... only then should you start researching land / naval in earnest. And by that point you have so much money pouring in, you can colonize to your heart's content.

 

[TimurLank]

Milk, do you mean that on January 1st, you receive 300d? If so, you aren't doing very well for someone who owns England AND France. But what amount do you receive in census tax? What portion of your income derives from trade? What are your expenses?

You SHOULD, by 1680, be an economic powerhouse - you must own at least 3 COT. You SHOULD have 5 merchants in virtually every COT in the world. Your inflation couldn't be 15%, if you were building governors.

Your infra and trade should be much higher, and your inflation should be 0%, by this time. I suspect that you've been leaking money since 1419, and that you've been researching land / naval tech, and fighting many wars. Too many?

Maybe you should consult the economy FAQ; it's excellent. I'm not a very good player, but with England, whether you conquer France or not, you should hit infra 5 / trade 5 in the early 1500s .... only then should you start researching land / naval in earnest. And by that point you have so much money pouring in, you can colonize to your heart's content.

he definitly mess somethn

 

[unmerged(6147)]

If your inflation is at zero you have IMO either

- been extremely lucky with events
- played badly

To expand costs money. IMO you cannot expand optimally in SP by merely using census tax.

15% in the mid 16th century sound just fine - providing you used the money minted for something good.

If you do not have a massive trade prescence in the world in the mid 17th century you have unfortunately erred. Regardless of what nation you play in the game. If you have that, and have taken out then Incas and the Aztekes and colonised at least a little and have managed your BB value and have taken most of the non-capital COTs, then you are at that moment just doing fine. Continue with taking out pagans and vassalise/diploannex in Europe.

 

[TimurLank]

How much colonies u have, milk

 

[unmerged(25609)]

I should qualify the "0% inflation" ... I like to roleplay, so I don't go for WCs (much), don't try to conquer COTs just because they're COTs, or expand in unusual directions .. I may try these things in future, but for now, I'm haooy playing the way I do. It's rarely necessary to mint large sums for troops or wars; I plan them in advance, save my ducats, then launch a short, overwhelming assault. If opportunity knocks, I like to have some $ saved, so that I can take advantage if my neighbour / rival sends all of his troops to invade Ireland, for example.
Zero inflation is the goal; it's not always possible, but ususally desirable to at least try. If you have high inflation, and can point to what you did with the money (like a manufactory, or a successful war against great odds), then I would agree with your policy. But I tend to play as if Jean-Baptiste Colbert was watching over my shoulder ...