I HATE EU4 !
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Really? you would reply to what is clearly a troll,yet won't comment on a honest good suggestion for gameplay improvements? REALLY?
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Just bought the game. Your post motivates me to play, because now I really want to tame this beast.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I like Total War games for the 3D battle perspective. I especially like the visuals. The AI is too easy though, but it can be fun in multiplayer. This game is pretty much the opposite. More in depth diplomacy and strategy without the eye candy. Kind of like a board game (Risk/A&A/Diplomacy) that has evolved significantly.
*yaawwwwwnnnn* Some idiot plays a strategy game and expects to win wars without making strategic decisions. Also expects every strategy game to work identically to Total War.
While I mostly agree with this, the game doesn't help with the learning curves. When's the last time you read a game manual? An app-manual? (Wait, those don't exist!) Today's interface designs tries to guide the user along, and people come to expect that. Then you bring them to this game, and it has to be a sheer force of will to overcome the UI to get to what is a rather good game.
I have gamer friends--strategy gamer friends--that have not made it more than a few hours. I have absolutely no data to support this, but I would bet that there's a high correlation between good EUIV players and time spent either on this forum, on the wiki, or "just read the .txt files, duh!" (or all three).
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"I HATE EU4!" said the stereotypical ultra-casual (not to say stupid, really) player who was frustrated after an hour. "What a relief" replied the strategy community.
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I totally agree with you that user interface is really important in that it should make how to play the game intuitive and straightforward. I imagine you are right that many people take a look at the game and are overwhelmed by the apparent complexity.
I Don't mean to detract from your point but I just want to point out eu4 isnt even the worst offender. My current champion of opaque ui is dwarf fortress. That game takes true comittment. I got the gist of eu4 after a mere 4 to 5 hours.
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I Don't mean to detract from your point but I just want to point out eu4 isnt even the worst offender. My current champion of opaque ui is dwarf fortress. That game takes true comittment. I got the gist of eu4 after a mere 4 to 5 hours.
I enjoy !!SCIENCE!! and losing, too!
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Steam sale, why does thou bring so many retards flowing? Oh yes, it's about profits. You shall be eradicated soon enough!
I hate loosing...I enjoy !!SCIENCE!! and losing, too!
Unfortunately, I am sure this "I hate EU 4 person left and never came back.... Is not reading a single post here."
I Hate that I can't play EU 4, i can safely say i am addicted to this game...
Castile is a hard start if you want to Derpy Conquer everyone around you...
the Ottoman Empire, and France are better countries for that tactic...
I have had a little over 1800 hours playing this game, and I still have moments where, i think, "I didn't know it/I could do that..."
I didn't really know how to play until AFTER I played France once, Castile twice, and then played as the Timurids... And that was AFTER the tutorials...
I still have rage quit moments.... i still played the game, and i still enjoyed it.
I like Total War, but in for instance in Rome 2, the Diplomacy Value of that game is Nill, "Seleucids declares war on Rome...why? Because! I dont' like you!".... Never mind it would take them months and months to get an army to my shores... and they're already fighting 4 or more Wars as it is...
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Wow! I can't believe the Total War hating that's going on here. It's like those haters have to shout out how super hyper much more better EU4 is in comparison to a strategic AAA game.
But to make some point here:
The Total War series is highly strategical but has its focus on fighting and not on makromanaging an empire. If you would compare the EU4 fighting system instead it is simply a joke compared to the depth of the Total War series. The series is only suffering a bad reputation because it has 2 major weakpoints:
1. Basically there is no limit for troops or armies so you can just win battles by dogpiling an enemy and push some automatic fight buttons.
2. Snowballing ruins the game because there is no game mechanic that's stopping you from doing it. (no AE, no overextension, basically no unrest)
In EU4 you win wars by using diplomacy, placing your troops and waiting for the right moment.
In Total War you win wars by troop placement and personally using your troops in real fights.
But to make some point here:
The Total War series is highly strategical but has its focus on fighting and not on makromanaging an empire. If you would compare the EU4 fighting system instead it is simply a joke compared to the depth of the Total War series. The series is only suffering a bad reputation because it has 2 major weakpoints:
1. Basically there is no limit for troops or armies so you can just win battles by dogpiling an enemy and push some automatic fight buttons.
2. Snowballing ruins the game because there is no game mechanic that's stopping you from doing it. (no AE, no overextension, basically no unrest)
In EU4 you win wars by using diplomacy, placing your troops and waiting for the right moment.
In Total War you win wars by troop placement and personally using your troops in real fights.
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Ever heard the phrase some battles you just can't win? You can roughly estimate a countries power by its size, now as Castile if you attack France with only Portugal and England and they are allied to another major power, then your just asking to get your ass kicked. And 50 years? In my experience it only takes around 10-20 years max. And generally one should manage their army well, to reduce manpower losses, this means both a usage of minimal forces where needed, and mercenary forces.
in a roundabout way that is what I meant, you said it much better though