I hate EU

[Johnny Canuck]

As a history graduate student, I can't help but wade into this debate. What makes history (or the social sciences) so hard is precisely that you can never really come to a definitive answer about anything. Essentially, historical research is an open-ended task, on that can go on forever. In graduate school, the amount of reading is incredible. I have only a few hours of class a week, but spend dozens and dozens of hours reading and researching. Not to say that physical sciences & business aren't tough. I've got a friend doing his PhD in astrophysics, and I don't have a clue when he tries to explain things. It's not that one or the other is harder, but rather than they are just different.

As for addiction to the game, I'm only glad that the game is coming out the day AFTER my girlfriend's birthday, or I'd be in deep s**t!


P.S. Rex Francorum - Was Sauve related to the Bloc Populaire? I did a paper that partially dealt with them a couple years back as an undergraduate.

 

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Hah, look at what I started. Not bad for my first post on the site.
Oh crap!, what am I doing posting?!?.. I could... no, SHOULD, be playing... ciao!


'Princes should delegate unpopular duties to others while dispensing all favors directly themselves.' -Machiavelli

 

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Hi rulers in christo,

is nice to see what kind of profession is combined on this topic. I think that the cycles of historical matters could be recognized very pretty in that game. There might be a lot of more mechanics in political systems but the main factors are runnig in the game. Thats life yesterday today and tomorrow, why to study it, if you can play it.

I move my hat with best wishes in your direction

Olando

 

[Tex]

Originally posted by alborrelli:
Damn all you guys from Paradox! I just got the game and haven't been able to stop playing it for 2 days now!!! <deleted for brevity>

Al

Oh! to hate the game with the same passion as Al!
February 21st can come none too soon for me!
Regarding the thread of thought on the soft sciences versus the hard sciences, I'll never forget those immortal words of my grandmother as she wagged her finger at me and told me to study hard, because if I had to rely on my back for my living, I'd starve to death
Tex


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Never call a Texan a
'yank.' Yanks are those
people who live north
of the Red River

 

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Originally posted by alborrelli:
Hah, look at what I started. Not bad for my first post on the site.
Oh crap!, what am I doing posting?!?.. I could... no, SHOULD, be playing... ciao!


'Princes should delegate unpopular duties to others while dispensing all favors directly themselves.' -Machiavelli

Yeah, but typically and since I started, which I should have known the reactoin. Because this has happened before. Anyway, typically what this turned into goes to the off topic forum. Or if flaming gets too bad, Greven and Sapura shut it down.



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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

 

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I'd just like to say how much I hate all you people in Sweden and Germany,you're able to play this wonderful game and im here in Paris stuck with my worthless knowledge of French and English.To make matters worse my father is Alsatien so he speeks German perfectly.

Just my damndest luck.

 

[demendoza]

I bought my computer to play computer games. Now, I cannot remembre the last time I had a nonEU-CD

 

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And the countdown continues almost only 12 days left. Till US release.

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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

 

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Originally posted by Tex:
Oh! to hate the game with the same passion as Al!
February 21st can come none too soon for me!
Regarding the thread of thought on the soft sciences versus the hard sciences, I'll never forget those immortal words of my grandmother as she wagged her finger at me and told me to study hard, because if I had to rely on my back for my living, I'd starve to death
Tex

Hi Tex,
Just thought that I'd let you know, in reference to your quote about 'yanks', that we in the UK (unfortunately for you) refer to all of you in this manner!
The consolation is that it's friendly and could be as old as you yanks calling us 'limeys', after the limes the Royal Navy gave to sailors to prevent scurvy(?)!!
Toby

 

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Hey hey, without us you would be speaking German.

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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

 

[Rex Francorum]

Originally posted by Johnny Canuck:
P.S. Rex Francorum - Was Sauve related to the Bloc Populaire? I did a paper that partially dealt with them a couple years back as an undergraduate.

No, at the time the Bloc Populaire was create, Sauvé was in Senate at Ottawa and was almost dying (He died in February 1944).

He was a conservative in politics. He was a big supporter of the two-parties system in Canada (Liberals vs Conservatives). He disliked third parties based on social groups (farmers, workers, etc.)

And one of his son, Paul, was politician too with Maurice Duplessis. So he fought againt Bloc populaire in Quebec. He was Prime minister of Québec in 1959-1960.

R.F.

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'On ne cherche point à sauver les écuries quand le feu est à la maison.'--- Minister of Marine of Louis XV (1759) about the dispatch of troops to New France during the Seven Years War. At the end, NF was give up to Great-Britain.

It will be my duty to prevent this error!

 

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Originally posted by Stromprophet:
Hey hey, without us you would be speaking German.

Strompet,
If that was directed at me, then you missed the point.
The bit underneath the post where everyone leaves some tid-bit like 'I won the war' etc that Tex left was what I was commenting on (on P1), but left me uncomfortable as a Brit, as we use 'Yank' as a generic and friendly term (ex-girlfiends excepted!), and includes both N & S USA.
It was a bad post previously, I hope that clears it up.
Now, as for WW2, the US had no intention of helping the UK, France, Norway, Denmark, Finland (Twice betrayed), Netherlands, Luxemborg, Belguim, Czechslovakia, Poland, then Crete, Greece, then the US, we (The UK)went to war totally unprepared- read the history- the only reason you helped Europe was because hitler declared war upon your own nation- The USA had no benevolent reasons to support the UK, as this was the goverment you had gained freedom from.
The US govt at the time did not think twice about 'we will send you planes, tanks, bombs' speech, as this made loads of dosh (money); which BTW we only paid for recently-yep- all those tanks cost the UK dear.(I think that 1995 was when we re-paid the cost of WW2).

As for the progression of the war, the hinge-factor in the suez region was actually before
you joined in, but our new invention;ASDIC (to you SONAR), helped, but without the US Navy in ever incresing ecrements, to plug the Canadian gap would have meant defeat as
an Island Nation- the Royal Navy had to be everywhere.
We had not learnt the lessons of WW1.
On a lighter note I would like:
British soldiers
German Officers
French/Belguim cooks
Yanks- Help line only
Scandinavia- (all future wives)
Benelux- what?
Swiss- Railways (but the diplomatic line is always engaged)
(For anyone who types 'I' (As in, if you use YOURSELF,it is always in the CAPITAL (BTW))!
Ah, that is enough, I do shut up!!
Toby

 

[State Machine]

Originally posted by Toby Rowe:
Hi Tex,
Just thought that I'd let you know, in reference to your quote about 'yanks', that we in the UK (unfortunately for you) refer to all of you in this manner!
Toby

This is too good not to respond to - great pun, Toby.

To the point of the original post, I truly avoid games because they are so addictive - word of EU is very bothersome - friends, work, and so on are going to suffer a lot when I get my hands on EU.

As to the hard/soft science/education debate. It is like arguing religion. The world is full of things that can be quantifed/qualified in a 'hard' way, but full of things that are mysterious, but ever so important. There are who people who are prone to the 'hard' - great. People who are prone to the 'soft' -great.

Aside from avarice, that tension is what moves us forward (excuse the pretensions).

 

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Just to make you English and American people see what you can expect: I spent the better part of last night with EU, got some sleep at 4 in the morning, to get up at 7 again and go to work.

The last game that did this to me was Master of Magic, way back in 1994. And EU is quite a bit more addictive, not the least because the AI plays so much better. EU definitely has the 'just another year' effect.

BTW, I'd say EU is the first game where using 'real-time' and 'strategy' in same sentence isn't an insult to the latter.

 

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Toby,

To be frank it was a joke.

We have already debated in quite some extensive ways about WWII on this forum. Why the US joined the war, and the what ifs. We are currenlty running an Alternate WWII debate.

Just my general belief that without support UK is gobled up. And I don't think it's that far from the truth.

As from extensive debating I have learned more than I ever knew about troop deployemnts, cause and effect, what if scenarios.

Please, don't lecture. Lighten up.

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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

 

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I had this addiction problem with online civ II gold. I don't think I will with EU. As the multiplayer isn't performing as we had hoped.

Often games in civ II take days. Even months if played properly. I spent the better part of my summer break playing every ladder I could find.

With Eu I'm afraid I've pretty much controlled my ability to become addicted. I don't even play my PS2 right now. No time for such things.

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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

 

[Hartmann]

Btw: If You were all speaking German now, at least You could have played EU much earlier....

Hartmann

 

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Only a true fool would put trivialities like family, school, and work ahead of EU EU EU!

 

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Originally posted by Hartmann:
Btw: If You were all speaking German now, at least You could have played EU much earlier....

Touche! Only too true.

 

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Originally posted by Toby Rowe:
On a lighter note I would like:
British soldiers
German Officers
French/Belguim cooks
Yanks- Help line only
Scandinavia- (all future wives)
Benelux- what?
Swiss- Railways (but the diplomatic line is always engaged)
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You forgot the most important thing:

Finnish sisu, nothing can beat that...

and I think you are too harsh on the the Yanks they had a lot of trucks and very good artillery