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Damn all you guys from Paradox! I just got the game and haven't been able to stop playing it for 2 days now!!! Arrg I am a graduate student not doing any work I should be doing.. expect a lawsuit soon you bastids!! Ooops already spent too much time away from running my kingdom c-ya!

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You're right! During the evenings, I should work on my thesis. But the discussion here is too funny and interesting that I cannot work like I would :) I must finish a chapter this week. Will I be able to???

The answer next monday...

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Basically I have trouble respecting graduate students in this category.

I'm sorry for my contempt, I know such political science is necessary. And I actually wanted to go into history and be a history or political science prof.

I just don't think it's that much work. I view all such classes required as easy for a B.S. degree, a masters, and even a doctarate as childs play for anyone.

I've always been good in English and Public speaking, I aced out of the first 2 levels of college English as well as speech class and didn't have to take either of them.

What kind of classes did you have to take?
Are there a certain amount of other credits needed? Any sort of science credits? I bet pyschology is required, as well as many political science, and history classes, possibly writing.
Foriegn languages required or optional? I got that down too.
Psycology is a joke at my college. In the school of science over 200 students recieved an A in pyschology, more than 40% of all the A's in the school of science. It was ridiculous in my opinion. I just don't find 'thought' and 'opnion' classes to be that hard. True, sometimes you get a harda** prof who thinks his opinions are always right since he has locked himself away from the real world for 20 years and says every statement you make is wrong.

I'm in engineering. And of the PS, and history students I know, their way looks like the easy way out. I think this is a common opinion among americans. I can go to college, it will be easy, I'll make lots of money. I'm really here to test my knwoledge, that's my thought, I want to know how far I can go. It looks so easy to go into business, or computer science, or engineering technology, computer technology, administration, of course I will have an easy time finding a job, I already co-op with Royles Royce.

I suppose that is our reward for hard work, but it seems so unfair if I have a boss who is my boss because he went to Business school. And he probably still understand less about economics than me aggggggrrrrrrrr. That is my other degree. In another year I will have an associates in spanish education. And a little bit later my BS in Mechanical, then another year till my masters. But I want a MBA too. Which I already actually started.


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Albo... I have to hand it to you. When I read the title of this thread I immediately switch my typing fingers to flame mode. But I appreciate now what you are getting at... ha! You have a lot of guts even posting a title like that on THIS forum! Into the lion's den, I'd say!

As a side note, because the damage you may suffer as a result of Paradox's product cannot be verified in quantum, you may have a difficult time pursuing them for damages. At least in common law jurisdictions.

Anybody familiar with the civil code?

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Originally posted by Stromprophet:

I just don't think it's that much work. I view all such classes required as easy for a B.S. degree, a masters, and even a doctarate as childs play for anyone.

I've always been good in English and Public speaking, I aced out of the first 2 levels of college English as well as speech class and didn't have to take either of them.

What kind of classes did you have to take?
Are there a certain amount of other credits needed? Any sort of science credits? I bet pyschology is required, as well as many political science, and history classes, possibly writing.



You know, it is not the first time I heard this kind of comments.

What kind of classes I had? 2 types in 3 occasions
1) Thesis Project: To help beginners in masteral studies to determine clearly our object, problematic, hypothesis, methodology, sources to be use, adequation between methodology and sources, key concepts, etc. The far most important course of all
2-3) Seminaries. Around a theme, we wrote a dissertation (a demonstration of an hypothesis...all the convential steps in a scientific work) in analysing/criticizing (constructive!) each works of the group (5-10 students)

The rest of the credits were used and are used to the 'production' of a thesis (100-200 pages). The work done in course 1) was very useful.
Of course, all the traditional scientific method is followed in my work:
problematic, hypothesis, methodology, demonstration of hypothesis, quotes with reference, introduction, conclusion...

The difference with students in physics, maths, is we can't be totally exact. I explain: History is not an exact science. It is a science of demonstration with shades(nuances). Never black or white but alway grey!

For example, my object, Arthur Sauvé, the politician, was very attached to French-Canadian traditions. He was a conservative nationalist for that. But, it is not finished! I learned that he accepted the modernity and social progress only if traditions would be preserved. I was obliged to consider the nuance. (In fact, I was more happy to find that than 'obliged').

For this 'chemistry', trying to weigh the yeas and the neas of the justification of an argument or not, it seems artisanal. But it is only a false image. It is necessary.

And I don't tell you about the methods historians can use from politican science, social psychology (what I did--- Content Thematical analysis) because I am studying the political thought of an human being.

I hope that will 'enlighten' you ;)

R.F.

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Social sciences are the easy way out? Well, I think that chemistry or physics is just as easy a subject. I never had any trouble just memorizing formulas and such. What really challenges me is social sciences, you can never know if you are completely right, your work can always be critized, for this you will need to consider all alternatives and have all problems in mind.

Sure, on a basic level social sciences often are 'common sense' and you cannot do the higher levels without 'common sense' but in my experience it does get a lot harder. Understanding the subtle points of Foucault or Durkheim is not an easy task. I would not say there is a great difference in these subjects.
 

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Originally posted by Rex Francorum:
You know, it is not the first time I heard this kind of comments.

You know, RF, that when someone makes comments like this there are really only two possibilities: 1) He's baiting you, or 2) He's an arrogant, misinformed a**hole who really believes that crap and who doesn't deserve a response.

The posts of this person have been lively and sometimes intelligent; perhaps the charitable approach is to assume the first alternative.

Regards,
Maturin
 

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Originally posted by Stromprophet:
I'm sorry for my contempt...

Yeah right! :rolleyes:

I have a PhD in physics, and I have a lot of respect for people doing Social Sciences.

It just depends on what you are good at. Not everyone finds life such a breeze as you do Stromprophet :rolleyes: I am sure I would be rather challenged by doing a PhD in Social Science.

May I ask, Stromprophet what your PhD is in?
 

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Originally posted by Stromprophet:
Basically I have trouble respecting graduate students in this category.
I just don't think it's that much work. I view all such classes required as easy for a B.S. degree, a masters, and even a doctarate as childs play for anyone.

No offense but you are dead wrong. Science/math is easy (and dull IMHO). Learn the formulas and go to work. Biology was the only class I could stand out of the sciences and even that became an excercise in math once it became bio-chem. Throw in that most unis allow calculators and even good math skills are barely relevant. The answer is black and white, right or wrong.

I never worked in my science and math classes like I did in my liberal arts classes. The amount of material to digest and understand is a lot greater to me. Plus, you are dealing with more abstract concepts and interpretaions in history and lit than in physics and biology. I have an enormous amount of respect for my peers with degrees in liberals artts (with the exception of sociology which is a bottom feeder major at most American universities). My masters had me working a lot harder than I do in my 'real' 40 hour a week job.

The real joke degrees on most American campuses I've been on are:

Business. Biz majors are basically white collar vo-tech students. They don't want to learn jack (and for the most part don't in their biz classes) and just want that sheet of paper so they can enter the workforce and start their career.

Education. A degree that has no value. The classes are easy. The academic basis of the program shakey at best and the content is mostly touchy feely and non-practical. Throw in that you barely have to take classes on the subject you want to teach and there isn't much to it.
 

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Nelson,
As for the civil code, all I have to do prove paradox put out an intentionally addictive element and that it caused me harm.. should be easy :)

As for the discussion that I somehow spawned, I do find Poli/Sci Int Relations and all such things easy, but only because I enjoy it so much. Not to disparage any hard science but I would prefer a problem/project that doesn't simply require a formualic approach any day.
Another tidbit of FYI, my masters thesis (when I finish it this century) is a modern, positive application of Machiavelli and his beliefs. Also.. lastly, I just got a job offer from the NSA!.. so that thesis will have to wait even longer! Sorry about that, but I have been bragging to everyone about the job offer! :)

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Just to post my experience on this subject,...
First on the addiction thread, yes the game is really really addictive...the only way I've found to still keep my studies going is to NOT start a new GC after I've finished one :) I'm saying ti myself that I want patch 1.08 before I start a new one... The last time I played a GC, my GF was angry since I was playing around 30 hours in one weekend, and the week didn't go that well either since I left way too early from the Uni :)))

About the 'Hard vs Soft' sciences....I've taken a one year study of history, but switched to chemistry (as my plan was) after that, and I've studied that for about 3-4 years, will start on my thesis work soon now... I expect to be finished with my studies in about 2 years. And at least here in Norway the best way to compare the two is this way.... To pass an exam in the social sciences is easy, by that I mean getting a lousy grade but passing... At least on the first courses. But on the other hand to get a good grade is demanding, and needs insight as well as an awful amount of work and discipline. The natural sciences on the other hand, is a lot harder just to pass the exam, but then on the other hand getting excellent grades only demands (relatively speaking) a bit more work, and getting maxed out grades is possible for any 'normal' person...
So in other words if you take your studies seriously, the social sciences are really hard, especially because you can NEVER know enough or have read it all....
But to those of you saying that you just learn the formulas and do the work, that's dead wrong, you have to actually know which formula to use as well as in what condition as well as some of the concepts f. inst. in chemistry is more than abstract enough for me, like Quantum Mechanics... :)

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no worries, if you fail out of your current studies at least you an fall back on your new knowledge of world history as you study for hours on eu. then you can get a major in history. :D
 
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I would still LIKE to take a major in history, but the problem is that you can't any kind of work related to history with a major in that here in Norway, well except for teacher that is... And my mom has told me I will not get any of my inheritance if I become a teacher, as she is one herself... (the worst part is that it isn't 100% joke [ which means being a teacher is bad, not that my mom dislikes me :) ] )

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As a (former) history graduate student, I have to take offense at those who would label such educational fields as 'easy'. I think I have room to speak because I STARTED out in the hard sciences as an engineering major. Why did I leave? I was bored with it - calculus and physics held no interest. That does not mean I am stupid, nor does it mean that I wanted to take the easy way out of college. Hell if I wanted to take the easy way out, I would not have gone to graduate school to do my Master's degree.

Now I come to my point of why my degree can hardly be called easy. Sure math and science have their formulas. But have you engineers ever bothered translating greek and latin? Have you studied many foreign languages, ancient or modern? Translation for historians of antiquity (and perhaps even those of more modern times) can be every bit as difficult as derivatives, integrals and thermodynamics. Engineers have their 'problems' to work out, and so do classicists, because translating ancient texts is a puzzle in itself. I won't bother getting into historiography, archaeology, anthropology, etc.

I think people should concentrate less on trying to cut down others' interests only to make themselves look better. Who are you trying to impress?

And dammit, I can't wait for EU to come out. Because I'm a strategy gamer and proud of it, even if it is an eternal addiction! Now if only they would make a similiar game with a theme of antiquity!!!

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Instead of insulting people and their majors, flaming and posting 14+ ridiculous posts a day..why don't you try to enjoy your college years, walk around the campus, go on dates, go on parties, etc...no need to respond I won't read it anyway.
 

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I started with the sorry to begin with. Becuase I love reading and politcal science history and the like.

I find it really hard though. Some of my friends in phsychology and social sciences only have to take 2/3 the load of credit hours I have (20).

I suppose I have that view because we have some hard work. Chemistry, Physics, Calculus, Engineering and the like are pretty hard. It's more than just equations, and far from being easy. For me it's naturally easy, like physchology, english, writing, speech and the like.

Maybe it's just that all the classes I have in the field of social science and PS I have gotten an A without any trouble.

I know it's important, especially important to remember our past so we don't repeat some of our mistakes.

One of my major problems with Phychology was it is considered a science. One of my graduate friends was doing his thesis on brain activity and the like, but he also has taken several courses in physics, chemistry, biology so he knows about the brain. Reading the pyhc book was tedious and it just put forth ideas of if this then this. If a child has two divorced parents he will act thisa way blah blah. Practically impossible not to get an A.

As for those who said I was baiting. I wasn't baiting at all or being arrogant. I was venturing a thought I have to see what other people think about social science. Maybe even help my own perspective of the situation.

Sorry for my nature. My intention was not to offend anyone. Pax Vobiscum.

You engineers, don't say that. I didn't say you social science guys. Being an engineer is boring at first of course. You have to have a foundation of physics, calculus, chemistry before you can attempt to do fun things. I work at royls royce in the AE division, it's lots of fun seeing engines for huge planes, and seeing gow they work.

It's not like Engineering is the only thing I do. In my spare time this last semester I wrote 2 books, and one thesis all for fun.
1 is a book of poetry, another is a novel about American youth. I wrote a thesis on Expansionism by Western powers in the 19th century which incurred Global reprecussions.
I can already translate spanish, and have a good knowledge of French, Latin, and some Italian.

I will try to remember not to put my comments to the Hoi Ploi in the future but at individuals.
Sorry for my nature. My intention was not to offend anyone. Pax Vobiscum.


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I can't help but think this topic belongeth elsewhere... However, points to the market savvy of the original poster, no matter how off topic the topic really is! <hoping this one will go to OT>

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I read that last post of yours and your comments were very smart and appropriate, Strom.

Maybe we could all stand to be more patient with you.

Here is a great article relevant to history buffs and to management and personal success that I think most folks would enjoy reading and that is relevant to the issue at hand:

Kroll, Toombs, & Wright (2000). Napoleon's tragic march home from Moscow: Lessons in hubris. Academy of Management Executive, 14, 117-128.


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Originally posted by alborrelli:
Damn all you guys from Paradox! I just got the game and haven't been able to stop playing it for 2 days now!!! Arrg I am a graduate student not doing any work I should be doing.. expect a lawsuit soon you bastids!! Ooops already spent too much time away from running my kingdom c-ya!

Al
Hmph! You almost sound like the gaming addiction is a bad thing!
That addiction is a feature!

What a great way to get away from all societal pressures and the nattering nabobs of negativity.
And away from the maddening crowd!

<Sits back to ponder the blissful solicitude and wondrous glory of the coming game day!>