I don't want the Aztecs in my games, is there any point in buying the DLC?
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And "I do not want people to waste their time on icecreams when it could be better used on, for example, real food!"
Yeah- that's surely great way to show them "I don't like Your dlc, so I'll buy it and not play it. Hah! I'm evil genius"
That's really pointless- if it sells bad Paradox won't make anymore such dlc. It sells well- what's the problem? I don't like it because game needs fixing/additional features and we get something completely useless instead. But I'm not going to riot against it (and definitely not in such way!)
Bear in mind that as soon as you make your first decision as a character, you have entered the realm of experimental alternate history. Given that in reality the Aztecs didn't have a chance once the Europeans landed, it is interesting to consider how well the Europeans would have handled the reverse. I suspect that paralleling history, the Aztec plague will play a huge role; however when things get 'conflicted' you still have stone age weapons confronting iron age weapons.
There are other DLCs I would prefer first, but as long as Paradox didn't divert a lot of their resources from what I want more, I was happy to send $5.00 to them for a bit of fun and to keep them in Swedish meatballs and reindeer steaks as they slave over more important code.
There are other DLCs I would prefer first, but as long as Paradox didn't divert a lot of their resources from what I want more, I was happy to send $5.00 to them for a bit of fun and to keep them in Swedish meatballs and reindeer steaks as they slave over more important code.
However there is an important difference in these types of alternate history. In the original game etc. you are diverging after the start of the game, time branches from there, in a "what if the Yorkists won the War or the Roses?" kind of thing. With Sunset Invasion, history has diverged significantly well before the start of the game, in fact taking into account the apparent reversal of disease (if it's something similar to smallpox and not just Syphilis) it could well be going back to the earliest days of human evolution.
That's a pretty huge difference, but the main point is that Sunset Invasion changes the past from what it was, and so the player is starting in an alternate universe and timeline that has existed regardless of his or her actions. With the original idea history diverged in a new way, but only from the point that the player (and ai) starts influencing it. There is a difference, people, it's not quite the same thing.
Granted, I don't say this to trash the DLC, but I do think this is why people find it strange/out of character/wrong etc. as opposed to the alternate timeline of the original. I've heard the argument that it's the same, but it's really not.
I asked this question to paradox but didn't get a response, so I hope maybe someone who has bought this already can help me out.. Is there more than just portraits & unit's in this? Specifically are there new graphics for advisors and city/castles? It might be worth the buy just to mod the game with a proper meso-american scenario, but I'm not interested in something that is half-complete.
I think they will release one of these next or at least soon. But the only issue with this kind of DLC is the fact its hard to add anything to existing ruler types with it. I.E a Catholic Monarch , or Islamic Feudal lord doesn't get much out of a Pagan or Republic DLC , and those 2 rulers are easily the majority of the game.
I hate to break this to you but this game isn't realistic alternative history either. In most my games Castille doesn't unite Iberia wholly , the HRE rushes high CA , Blobs and implements Primogeniture incredibly quickly , the wars between England and Scotts are rare and almost non-existent , and the Norman invasion never ends close to historically (even when the Normans win , they take Normandy with them...). For any of these things to have actually happened , entire cultures would have needed to be re-written. And there are plenty more non-historical situations , that would have required a huge deviation from actual history to achieve.
This kind of argument is not about realism. You don't like aztecs , I don't really either. But CK 2 isn't a history book , its a game , it would be boring if this game stuck to only history / plausible alternative history.
I bought it and I'm playing it just to protest the whining of others. 
(and I'm curious to see what they've done)
(and I'm curious to see what they've done)
Well, the Aztecs do have unique faces, religion and events based on their religion. So maybe the DLC is still useful if you play mods or are a modder yourself.
Buying this DLC funds further patches and DLC, necessary since Paradox isn't a massive company. So it's got my money for that reason.
I dont see how sticks and stones weapon can fare against chain, lamelar and plate armors..
It doesn't. That's part of the level of ridiculous that makes his so fun/funny.
Fun is just a pointless buzzword when people can't really explain why something is good. You didn't really find it fun - you just think that you did.
The reason I don't really like this is that the chance of a DLC where Europe finds and conquors the Americas now seems unlikely. I'd much rather have that or have some sort of option to play the Aztec DLC as 'Historical' or 'Unhistorical'.
Shakes up the west coast of the map, makes games less predictable, for me = fun. Not for all, for me.
Interesting that we haven't seen a surge of SI AARs, each prevous major DLC saw a bump in them.
I'm not a fan of this DLC, and don't buy the "no time was wasted" argument (was it the product of labor of people who work at your company? If so, it consumed manhours of work time. If not, then why are you selling someone else's property?), so I won't be buying it.
However, I've said before that a Mesoamerica mod would be very cool.
I'm not a fan of this DLC, and don't buy the "no time was wasted" argument (was it the product of labor of people who work at your company? If so, it consumed manhours of work time. If not, then why are you selling someone else's property?), so I won't be buying it.
However, I've said before that a Mesoamerica mod would be very cool.
I bought it just because I figured it would be a great way to shake up a game in Western Europe that gets too comfortable too quickly, such as being King of Ireland. When I want to play more historical games, I just uncheck the little box and history is restored!
Shut up or they'll release a DLC with playable potatoes before we get playable pagans!