I don't understand the attitude of this forum

[mudcrabmerchant]

A money-management patch/expansion would be great. Complicated as all hell to do right, but I'd love it if we were given mechanics inspired by the real reasons states went bankrupt in this period.

 

[Pellucid]

My problem with the monarchs is that there isn't anything the player can do about them besides load the game back or try to game the game (thus killing immersion) by loading the 1/0/2 heir to single regiment mercs and suicide running them into enemies till they die.

I might be the only person in the universe who feels this way, but I actually really like being forced to try to do well with limited resources. What you do with your meager points becomes much more important when you hardly have any.

It leads to entertaining things for me, like this man: Fergal the Great, whose name even sounds like he ain't too bright.

 

[TheChronoMaster]

A money-management patch/expansion would be great. Complicated as all hell to do right, but I'd love it if we were given mechanics inspired by the real reasons states went bankrupt in this period.

Hm...add a budget for for 'government', perhaps, which greatly increases over the course of the game, and if underfunded leads to inflation, revolt risk, slowed coring times, lowered MP?

 

[Gball]

Only if you never re-elect.

While technically true, electing has a ton of problems of its own relating to drop of "legitimacy" and bad events. you also need to re elect a 60 year old guy (usually) at least 3 times for him to enter the "above average" territory.

Simply because of his age this will be rare. Combine that with the fact that you can't always do it because your republican mana drops way too much and you get an average of shit monarchs way above monarchies.

 

[Wizzington]

While technically true, electing has a ton of problems of its own relating to drop of "legitimacy" and bad events. you also need to re elect a 60 year old guy (usually) at least 3 times for him to enter the "above average" territory.

Simply because of his age this will be rare. Combine that with the fact that you can't always do it because your republican mana drops way too much and you get an average of shit monarchs way above monarchies.

If you know what you're doing, you'll get tons of monarch points from a republic. I think you're running on a lot of assumptions coming from not actually playing them.

 

[Oscaretti]

I love republics. Even though 1-1-4 seems bad, that's really all you need to keep up, especially if you can re-elect from time to time.

 

[Fiddler6291]

In the vast majority of cases, backlash to a balance and gameplay changes is actually just complaining about change, in itself. 1.12 changed a lot of things, and it's to be expected that the complaints would be more loud than usual and that they would mainly target easily articulated topics such as the increased coring costs. You'll notice the vast majority of complaining about it has died down now that people are used to the new rules and the rhetoric being thrown around like 'it is now completely impossible to expand' didn't exactly turn out to match reality.

This has happened with every major patch, will continue to happen with every major patch, and we usually manage to find some valid feedback among all the yelling.

Of course there are also the people that realize the game is no longer to their liking because of these changes and the path it seems to take, find something better to do with their spare time, only check the forums in a more and more infrequent manner and move on.

 

[Gball]

If you know what you're doing, you'll get tons of monarch points from a republic. I think you're running on a lot of assumptions coming from not actually playing them.

I have played a ton of republics. Not Novgorod (which is a big one) but, off the top of my head, I have played as Venice, Ragusa, Florence and Milan (republican government change).

Maybe I am crazy but to keep the republican tradition on an acceptable level (70-80), I basically had way way less MP than when I play as a monarchy without utterly shit luck.

I basically said why in that post. I don't see why I am wrong?

 

[Beagá]

I don't! Bring me more difficulties, that I might eat them!

I do prefer that the difficulty be added more in the mid-late game though. The early game is already very challenging for some of the small nations. What we really need is a late-game threat.

There is hard/very hard already. What do you want to be put exactly?

Through harder difficulties could have some carrots like extra achievements.

 

[Wizzington]

Of course there are also the people that realize the game is no longer to their liking because of these changes and the path it seems to take, find something better to do with their spare time, only check the forums in a more and more infrequent manner and move on.

I'm sure those people exist, but considering our player numbers grow with each expansion, there can't be all too many of them.

 

[b.arts4]

In the vast majority of cases, backlash to a balance and gameplay changes is actually just complaining about change, in itself. 1.12 changed a lot of things, and it's to be expected that the complaints would be more loud than usual and that they would mainly target easily articulated topics such as the increased coring costs. You'll notice the vast majority of complaining about it has died down now that people are used to the new rules and the rhetoric being thrown around like 'it is now completely impossible to expand' didn't exactly turn out to match reality.

This has happened with every major patch, will continue to happen with every major patch, and we usually manage to find some valid feedback among all the yelling.

it has quited down because its futile, ur responses only come when those u dont agree with have given up

for me the game is dead, hopefully you have enough replacements, actualy im sure youl have. and im yust a number you dont care about.

you cant say that every dlc its the same, because not 1 time did the game totaly change with a patch and dlc, you created a new game, and the old game is gone forgood. and trust me i would have spend many more euro's if the game actualy continued on its path it did for so many patches

bil

 

[TheChronoMaster]

it has quited down because its futile, ur responses only come when those u dont agree with have given up

for me the game is dead, hopefully you have enough replacements, actualy im sure youl have. and im yust a number you dont care about.

you cant say that every dlc its the same, because not 1 time did the game totaly change with a patch and dlc, you created a new game, and the old game is gone forgood. and trust me i would have spend many more euro's if the game actualy continued on its path it did for so many patches

bil

The old game's not gone for good, you can still play it using the Steam beta function.

 

[Beagá]

Yeah and which path is that? Faster blobbing?

 

[Gball]

Ok, sorry for double post, but to clarify:

monarchs get from 0-6 points in each category. Roughing that up, a completely average monarch has 9 MP (3x3). So basically, average is in the ballpark of 10.

Republican government start with 6 MP (4/1/1) so this is below average. If you re-elect once, they got to 5/2/2 so 9, exactly average. Then 12, slightly above average. 3rd re election they enter the realm of good with 6/4/4 (14).

Again, 3 re elections to get to good and solidly above average. Before that they are either shit (6) or at best average. Combine that with geriantric rulers and that's my point.

 

[Wizzington]

it has quited down because its futile, ur responses only come when those u dont agree with have given up

for me the game is dead, hopefully you have enough replacements, actualy im sure youl have. and im yust a number you dont care about.

you cant say that every dlc its the same, because not 1 time did the game totaly change with a patch and dlc, you created a new game, and the old game is gone forgood. and trust me i would have spend many more euro's if the game actualy continued on its path it did for so many patches

bil

This may be true for you, and I think it's unfortunate that you don't find the game to your liking anymore, but there is nothing to suggest your experience is shared by the majority of people who complained about the changes, and quite a lot to suggest that it isn't.

What precisely is it that makes the game unplayable for you now, if I may ask?

 

[Xara]

it has quited down because its futile, ur responses only come when those u dont agree with have given up
bil

Yeah like the 30+ page thread about a significant rebalance when it comes to idea groups that wasn't even put in the patch notes. No dev response, no attempt to explain until months down the road when it finally came out as "multiplayer balance", a line of reasoning that had been thoroughly debunked as ineffective and offensive.

 

[TheChronoMaster]

Yeah like the 30+ page thread about a significant rebalance when it comes to idea groups that wasn't even put in the patch notes. No dev response, no attempt to explain until months down the road when it finally came out as "multiplayer balance", a line of reasoning that had been thoroughly debunked as ineffective and offensive.

Man, that sure isn't how I remember that thread, nor is that what I remember the explanation being. It's almost like you made that up to have a reason to be angry.

 

[Pellucid]

There is hard/very hard already. What do you want to be put exactly?

Through harder difficulties could have some carrots like extra achievements.

Improvements to AI, nerfs to MIL idea stacking, changing mechanics that greatly favor the human player (such as current naval combat, although that might change next patch now that the AI can retreat from such).

 

[superkamiguru]

Everybody likes to laugh, some people get laughs from giving examples of their crazy exploits as a specific one province country and how it's changed significantly from patches, it might sound critical but people are having fun. Otherwise it could be frustration which is pretty normal. Only frustration I have is Common sense feeling like a tax, because the building system more or less relies on the DLC to be unlocked. However I'll get it at the next 50% sale, in the mean time there are free and cheap games to play.

 

[Grand Pope Papa]

it has quited down because its futile, ur responses only come when those u dont agree with have given up

for me the game is dead, hopefully you have enough replacements, actualy im sure youl have. and im yust a number you dont care about.

you cant say that every dlc its the same, because not 1 time did the game totaly change with a patch and dlc, you created a new game, and the old game is gone forgood. and trust me i would have spend many more euro's if the game actualy continued on its path it did for so many patches

bil

To bad Paradox wont get your euro's... They will get my euro's though because I enjoy this game more than ever