i don't understand holdings

[Thracian]

hi guys
i recently bought ck2 and i dont see what are those holdings for
there is a holding next to my face, i assume that's the holding (a castle for rennes) of my province. but there are other smaller holding images below. are they baronage holdings? they have their own coat of arms on the left of them, are they baron coat of arms? if so, are the barons in my court or somewehere else?
my chaplain became a heretic and i banished him. then i assigned my bastard brother to his position. the game warns me about wrong holding type because the baronage holding (a church) is now owned my brother and duchy of britanny now. how can i find an appropriate baron for there?

and one more question: i cannot hire retinues, it say i reached the cap, even though it is 0/360. why?

 

[Arthasus]

are they baronage holdings? they have their own coat of arms on the left of them, are they baron coat of arms?

yes they are

if so, are the barons in my court or somewehere else?

they are lowest level of your vassals (baron<count<duke<king)

the game warns me about wrong holding type because the baronage holding (a church) is now owned my brother and duchy of britanny now

as far as I can see this church is owned by you, not your brother
as you are feudal ruler you get malus for owning bishoprics and towns
to find a new rules for this holding right click on in and one of three buttons which will appear will allow you to auto create new vassal

 

[nyah]

and one more question: i cannot hire retinues, it say i reached the cap, even though it is 0/360. why?

each retinue costs a number of points (from 500 to 1200 depending on the type). The 360 cap is the total number of points you have to spend on retinues. Try to gain another county, build a new castle (or other holding), or upgrade an existing holding to increase the number.

 

[Me_]

The holding next to the portrait is the primary hoolding within the county, the ones below are baron-level holdings within that county (and to answer a possible question yes, it is possible to change the primary holding). The holders of the baronies will most likely, but not necessarily, vassals of the owner of the county. The two coat-of-arms show the coat-of-arms of the barony if the barony's holder (the left symbol) and the coat of arms of the barony's most senior liege, that is the one that has nobody above him or her (the right symbol).

The wrong holding is the church. As a feudal lord you are only allowed to hold castles directly without a penalty (reduced income) churches and cities should be directly held by you vassals, preferably priests and mayors respectively.

Retinues come in groups of 500 men (although some of them count as more men), 360 is not enough to hire any.

 

[icedt729]

Every county has multiple holdings in it. So holding the title "County of Rennes" means you own the capitol holding of the county (in this case, the castle beside your guy's face) and that the other holdings in the county are your direct vassals.

There's three kinds of holdings: baronies (castles), cities and bishoprics (churches). Feudal lords, meaning you and your brother, are only supposed to hold castles/baronies. Bishoprics are supposed to belong to bishops and cities are supposed to belong to mayors, so when you hold cities or bishoprics in your demesne you get a wrong holding penalty, reducing income from the holding. In this case your brother is a feudal lord and he's getting a penalty for holding church lands. When you personally hold the wrong type of holding, you can right-click on the holding's picture and three buttons will pop up- one will be to create a new vassal of the right type and pass the holding on to him. But since you gave it to your brother, you don't control it and can't give it away without revoking it from your brother first. The AI seems to be smart about avoiding wrong-holding penalties though, so I expect he'll give the holding away on his own soon.

The reason it says your retinue cap is met is because you don't have enough cap to afford any available retinues. If you hover your mouse over the different retinue types it should tell you how much cap they each cost- I'm pretty sure the cheapest is the Skirmish retinue which takes up 600 cap. You'll need several hundred more manpower before you can afford any of them, therefore the game says your cap is reached.

EDIT: Damn, ninja'd

 

[Thracian]

thanks for the replies people
change of the ownership of the church was automatic, it happened when i banished my chaplain and appointed my brother as chaplain
i changed my chaplain again for a guy with different surname, and the church's name and coat of arms changed accordingly. so, my council members fill the baron spot of my capitol whenever possible?

 

[smeggy]

Next time you end up owning 'wrong demesne types' on the barony level: right click the city or churc, and choose 'create new vassal'. It'll add a new dynasty to the holding, who will become the vassal of the county leader. This situation often happens when you conquered land, and all the cities, churches and castles will be yours. 'creating' dynasties to rule there is pretty much the easiest and save way. For appointing counts to new land I use the Chracter panel (left-upper buttons, the most right one). Set it to My Realm, and 'Male/Not imprinsoned/Same culture/Same religion/Mature/Not ruling', search, and pick the guys you want. PS appointing family, who probably have claims on your lands, is asking for trouble.

 

[nyah]

PS appointing family, who probably have claims on your lands, is asking for trouble.

They can't do too much damage in baronies. I've got into the habit of making family members barons to help expand my dynasty. If they're court members in a large court (+30 members) they're limited to two children, but if they hold a title they can breed as much as they can.

 

[Me_]

thanks for the replies people
change of the ownership of the church was automatic, it happened when i banished my chaplain and appointed my brother as chaplain
i changed my chaplain again for a guy with different surname, and the church's name and coat of arms changed accordingly. so, my council members fill the baron spot of my capitol whenever possible?

Every time you banish a vassal all of their holdings are given to you. Council members do not fill baronies automatically, so that couldn't have happened, however, there is a button to create a new baron on the barony (righ click the barony's window and three circles will pop up, the lower right one creates a new baron and gives him - I believe they are always male - the holding) you might have pressed it accidentaly.

 

[Mercury Knuckle]

If you give a church holding to one of your courtiers, you will gain a piety bonus plus a relation bonus with the courtier. You want bishops to like you better than the pope. You could also give it to a member of your dynasty who you wish to deny inheritance (like a drooling idiot son, or a half-brother with low stats) as making them a bishop would cut them off from your line of succession.