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I do love the Paradox devs and their sense of humour. My time buying paradox games has been an enjoyable experience, despite some blips, yet I am still addicted to your games. Thanks guys - and although I don't completely support the move towards Steam, mostly because I prefer naving greater choice, I understand why you are doing it, and hope and expect that you will listen to any complaints we might have about it.
All in all, keep up the great work. <3
All in all, keep up the great work. <3
I have heard the devs mention on several occasions that 80% of sales were from Steam for EU3: DW and Sengoko. However, was it nearly as high as 80% for pre-orders?
The reason I ask is because of the new "true fans" policy. If I understand correctly, Paradox wants to reward us for supporting them with pre-orders or buying games on day one. Johan's poll found that a majority of the forumites preferred GamersGate to buy EU3: DW, so I suspect that is the preference of most who would be "true fans." If that is true, I hope that Paradox will continue to make non-Steam versions of their games, if only as a concession to the hardcore fanbase. Even if the fans only make up a small portion of total sales, we are more likely to pay full price, buy the game again in a bundle, and give word-of-mouth recommendations. I realize that making a non-Steam version of a game is not without costs, but it does wonders for keeping much of the fanbase enthusiastic.
For the record, I did pre-order Sengoku, and have generally greeted expansion packs with enthusiasm.
The reason I ask is because of the new "true fans" policy. If I understand correctly, Paradox wants to reward us for supporting them with pre-orders or buying games on day one. Johan's poll found that a majority of the forumites preferred GamersGate to buy EU3: DW, so I suspect that is the preference of most who would be "true fans." If that is true, I hope that Paradox will continue to make non-Steam versions of their games, if only as a concession to the hardcore fanbase. Even if the fans only make up a small portion of total sales, we are more likely to pay full price, buy the game again in a bundle, and give word-of-mouth recommendations. I realize that making a non-Steam version of a game is not without costs, but it does wonders for keeping much of the fanbase enthusiastic.
For the record, I did pre-order Sengoku, and have generally greeted expansion packs with enthusiasm.
Sengoku for preorders and first day purchases was 80% steam
DW AFAIK was not released initially on steam at the beginning launch date, a month later (?) and stilll ended up with over 80%
DW AFAIK was not released initially on steam at the beginning launch date, a month later (?) and stilll ended up with over 80%
I would like to hear it from the devs, unless you have a link to a dev post.
Since the Steam release of EU3: DW was delayed, then there are only Sengoku figures. In the post you linked, Johan wrote, "I think that about 84% was sold through steam the first month." However, that is not the same as pre-order/day 1 purchases.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-CK2-Price&p=13126622&viewfull=1#post13126622
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...count-quot&p=13009805&viewfull=1#post13009805
google search isnt working properly after the forums update -_-
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...count-quot&p=13009805&viewfull=1#post13009805
google search isnt working properly after the forums update -_-
That very last quote was the closest to my question, but it still does not give any figures. Yes, Paradox got most of its revenue through Steam sales for the last few releases. However, none of those quotes disclose whether Steam sales account for the same portion of pre-order/day 1 sales as total sales.
Lots of numbers are in many contracts covered by NDA.
Still, with around 84% of income, % of preorders and sales for full price cant be far off.
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Why do you have to do this to me, Paradox? I love(d) you!
+1. If titles are released first in steam, then I guess I will a have chance to see if the game is finished or not.
On one hand, so many people are completely overreacting about this. Steam is a fine service, and this will change very little.
On the other, I have tended to buy Paradox games on GamersGate exclusively, and I'm a little sad to see those days end. I also hope that Paradox games on Steam will still be as free and open as they were elsewhere. I'd hate to see mod support, different patch support, multiple installs,and DRM ruin a great series.
In other words, if this happens and a lot changes, I'll be voting with my dollars by with holding. If this happens but all the old flexibility is still there.. that's something else entirely.
Still, I really don't get Steam exclusivity. You are already selling most of your games through Steam. What's the added benefit of exclusivity?
On the other, I have tended to buy Paradox games on GamersGate exclusively, and I'm a little sad to see those days end. I also hope that Paradox games on Steam will still be as free and open as they were elsewhere. I'd hate to see mod support, different patch support, multiple installs,and DRM ruin a great series.
In other words, if this happens and a lot changes, I'll be voting with my dollars by with holding. If this happens but all the old flexibility is still there.. that's something else entirely.
Still, I really don't get Steam exclusivity. You are already selling most of your games through Steam. What's the added benefit of exclusivity?
Okay, s12345674890n, I have got to ask: why do you care so much that a number of people on this forum dislike Steam?
It seems that for every discussion of Steam, more than half the comments defending the move to Steam are from you. I just don't get it. I am not willing to use Steam, so I have an interest in whether Paradox releases a game Steam-only or not. As far as I can tell, there is no talk of not releasing games on Steam, so what does any of this matter to you?
From all these threads, it seems that people dislike Steam for a number of different reasons. Why try to convert them? Back in the U.S., I know a number of folks who refuse to buy German cars because these companies built the Nazi war machine. No discussion of the superiority of German engineering will change their minds. (Oddly enough, Chinese folks have no hesitation about buying Japanese cars. Go figure.) Some consumer preferences are emotional, some are irrational, and some are even misinformed. Nevertheless, they determine what one actually buys.
Some people will only buy retail boxed copies of games. Ever since Paradox started releasing expansion packs through digital distribution channels only, these folks have been left out. I generally support wider choice for consumers, but with a few exceptions (e.g. EU:R CE), I get everything through GamersGate. Therefore, I do not usually jump into discussions about retail boxes, either to urge Paradox to expand the number of titles in the store or to convince gamers to get on the digital distribution bandwagon. Hence, my incomprehension over your evangelical enthusiasm about the recent Steam decisions.
It seems that for every discussion of Steam, more than half the comments defending the move to Steam are from you. I just don't get it. I am not willing to use Steam, so I have an interest in whether Paradox releases a game Steam-only or not. As far as I can tell, there is no talk of not releasing games on Steam, so what does any of this matter to you?
From all these threads, it seems that people dislike Steam for a number of different reasons. Why try to convert them? Back in the U.S., I know a number of folks who refuse to buy German cars because these companies built the Nazi war machine. No discussion of the superiority of German engineering will change their minds. (Oddly enough, Chinese folks have no hesitation about buying Japanese cars. Go figure.) Some consumer preferences are emotional, some are irrational, and some are even misinformed. Nevertheless, they determine what one actually buys.
Some people will only buy retail boxed copies of games. Ever since Paradox started releasing expansion packs through digital distribution channels only, these folks have been left out. I generally support wider choice for consumers, but with a few exceptions (e.g. EU:R CE), I get everything through GamersGate. Therefore, I do not usually jump into discussions about retail boxes, either to urge Paradox to expand the number of titles in the store or to convince gamers to get on the digital distribution bandwagon. Hence, my incomprehension over your evangelical enthusiasm about the recent Steam decisions.
No. By all means, post away. Really, I am just curious. I find it easy to understand why people who have been Paradox fans for years get worked up over changes that they see as excluding them, but you, my friend, are quite the mystery.
Because people dont read through the thread and auto assume steam = Ubisoft style DRM (always online)
Perhaps (although I suspect that most of us know that Ubisoft is much more intrusive than Steam). Nevertheless, why does it bother you if people have misconceptions?
If someone asked about GamersGate, I might share my experience with them. However, if someone had a bad experience with GamersGate back in 2007 and refused to use it now, I would just leave it at that.