You will not laugh when Rayquaza himself will descend from the heavens to punish this affront.
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I advocate game designers of victoria 3 to review the your map.Because the territory of qing dynasty is inaccurate！
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These days, it could get banned for pretty much anything. Best to not count on any sales in mainland China.
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The land was "heaven given" to the Dzungarians, who weren't even in the general vicinity of mainland Chinese but they still felt entitled enough to want that piece of worthless steppe and massacre the locals.
Truly, a tale as old as time.
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"The Qing were Tartar barbarians who usurped the rightful throne of Tianxia from the Han people. BUT everything they conquered and added to China is now part of our sacred sovereign territory and we won't give up an inch of it."
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However according to another western drawn map in 1844 this area was part of Qing and its border reached to Lake Balkash.
There's also another french-drawn map in 1832. Parts of this map outside of China proper somewhat inaccurate but we can still find that it did reach Lake Balkash.
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You cannot argue that Qing's border didn't reach Lake Balkash by posting a rough map without border.
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How Russia took so much from China after the Second Opium war without being really involved in it was always one of the biggest mystery in history for me.
Awesome, thank you for the maps
Both clearly show the problem for mapmakers at the time. They both show the area full of steppe tribes (Songar Kalmuks, Kalmouks, and (I assume but my French is poor) Tourgouts). So these steppe tribes clearly populated the area at the time.
Yet the challenge for Victorian mapmakers (and Paradox) is the overwhelming desire to draw a line. Both these map makers have tried. It is evident that they have failed - take a look at Lake Alakol in this area. The 1832 map shows this as Russian, while the 1844 map shows it as Qing... which is clearly wrong as any influence that either nation had was moving eastward, not westward.
I think it is pretty clear that neither large empire had any meaningful control at the time - though probably both loved the idea of being able to draw a line on a map that made them look bigger than they really were.
I think it is pretty telling that the eventual Russian conquest of this area simply had them 'crossing the eastern steppe' to get to Kokand, without any meaningful 'conquest', and certainly without running into Qing border forts (or even a single Qing soldier as far as I can tell).
So how to model that 'eastern steppe'? The most accurate would probably to have it as controlled by a 'uncivilised' steppe tribe. Either an independent group of Kalmuks, or (more practically for gameplay terms), keeping it as part of the Kazakhs, which basically represent the confederation of steppe tribes at the time - though that is a bit of a simplification and abstraction.
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Doesn't the CCP only particularly care about the portrayal of post-1912 situation, specifically portraying China as disunited during the world lord period and also not portraying the Communists as the leading, legitimate power of China pre-1949?
Generally, yes. The more proximate an issue is to either the legitimacy of the CCP itself or contemporary territorial disputes, the more likely they are to squash it. If it doesn't directly touch on these issues then they don't usually mind.
I do remember that HoI4 got on their radar after the launch of Waking the Tiger, which was notable for giving the ChiComs ways to get rid of Mao Zedong.
I think this may be actually be the case, in the game as is. On the map, that has been going around, the Kazakhs have a similar color (or rather lack of color), as large parts of Africa and small pockets of the Americas. I think this might signify unorganized countries and include the Kazakhs.
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HOI4 was on their radar from the beginning because of the possibility of the nationalists winning the Civil War partially it's still an ongoing thing for them that certain countries recognise the ROC (Taiwan) as the legitimate government of all of China.
With stuff in Vic's time frame I suspect that any Chinese outrage would be more from ordinary people rather than the government if the century of humiliation is portrayed insensitively.
Since we're talking about Qing borders, it kind of bothers me they are shown controlling whole of Taiwan. Historically Han settlers in this period lived on western coast while the mountainous eastern half of the island remained inhabited by the indigenous Austronesian people outside of Qing jurisdiction. And following Mudan incident of 1871 where locals killed some Ryukyuan and Japanese sailors the Qing government refused Japanese claims of compensation on the grounds that these were "barbarian people" outside of their control.
It wasn't until Japanese launched military expedition to Taiwan in 1874 that Qing dynasty started officially extending their control over the whole island rather than just the Han inhabited coastal region.
It wasn't until Japanese launched military expedition to Taiwan in 1874 that Qing dynasty started officially extending their control over the whole island rather than just the Han inhabited coastal region.
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