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Hungary Aar

I just had the most frustrating game i think since i had EU. Some of the frustration was good but some of it i think is because of the incomplete beta version.

1419, Hungary is a meager power in the region, it has potential but then so do other countries in the region.

So i emediately DOW Croatia because im hoping that Transvania will DOW me as they are guarenteeing Croatias independance. Well they never did which turned out to be good for me. As it turned out, Croatia, Venice and Serbia would be enough for me to handle. At first i called on my allies to help me in the war. I wanted most of all the sea ports of istria and dalmatia that venice had, poland and lithuania could have croatia and serbia i didnt care.

Well Poland and Lithuania (two seperate countries) crushed the serb and croat armies and took the forts in a year. Then the Tuetonic order attacked poland so all my allies troops went north.

At this time in 1421 when my allies left, i was sieging Veneto, istria and dalmatia of Venice. However those sieges were going slow. I had time to build up another army.

1423 Serbia reared its ugly head and came out in force with 24000 troops to free croatia of polish control. A revolt in odenburg slowed my army some also.

My hungarian elite armies (yeah right:p ) went toe to toe with the serb armies repeatedly, first hungary advanced into banat but was then driven back out. My army then began sieging Croatia while rebel armies took odenburg and then began sieging pest. The serbs also began sieging my land of banat. Still the sieges in Venice went on and on.

1424
This was a glorious year at first, i annexed Croatia finally and now it was just the Serbs who were a threat because Venice wasnt doing anything. My army even beat back the rebels finally and then retook the states of pest and odenburg from rebel control.

Serbia used my bad position to begin sieging Croatia again though, driving my armies back with each attack. Dang serb army is fricken tough and a major annoyance.

1425
My army would attack the serbs in croatia, i had twice their number often and i would still get beaten back. Then the serbs would attack my army in pest and I would win those battles. It was a seesaw war at this point, much blood being spilled. I couldnt build my army fast enough. Raise 4000 troops, 4000 lost, i kill 7000 serbs, they send 7000 new guys right away, grrrr it was unending frustration, but i still had the upper hand.

1426
I make a breakthrough, i retook banat from the serbs and defeated their main army in serbia. Now the serbs were hurting as my 25000 men marched through their capital city and they only had 6000 recruits marching to meet me. Ahhh i will celebrate victory soon. OR WOULD I

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, those 6000 bloody serbs not only beat me out of kosovo, they beat my army out of serbia then chased me to banat and beat me there also. All the while they raised more fricken men Gosh Dang it, and i was reeling with shocking defeats. I was sooooo close to total victory, now this.

Before 1426 is over, i would lose banat to serb control and they had an army of 20,000 now that i just could not beat. I must have lost a dozen battles in one year against them and i made sure my army was 100% supported and was strong before attacking. Ugh war sucks! :rolleyes:

1427
Serbia had a goal in mind, I refused to accept their rediculous demands that i give up Banat and Croatia and money to them for peace. So they kept beating me up. Before i knew it they were driving my battered army out of Pest and seiged it, I managed to barely retake Croatia under their nose but they sieged that now too.

before the end of the year, i lost croatia and pest and repulsed yet another attack by my army. Things were beginning to look grim for Hungary.

I decided to stop waging conventianal war and go for a new strategy. Instead of go against an invincible army it seems. I will just march around them and take out their supply line in serbia. So i marched my 30,000 man army down to banat, serbia and kosovo and began sieging them. The serbs apparently didnt care as they sieged my other territory in krain moving their way north to presburg.

In Venice just incase you thought i forgot, it has been 8 years now and my troops are still sieging Veneto, istria and dalmatia, i think that is a bug?

Well the frustration turned into tears when just as my new tactic began to work against serbia and i almost had their homeland taken, THE GAME CRASHED TO DESKTOP AND I SCREAMED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Honestly this was one of the best games of EU i have ever played, It was an interesting challenge to say the least and I cant wait for the completed version after they add all the new features. My god this game rocks.

Hope you liked my EU2 AAR.:D Hungary rules
 

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Re: Hungary Aar

Nice, I'm glad things can be challenging. Also good to hear about those Eastern European countries.

Originally posted by warspite

In Venice just incase you thought i forgot, it has been 8 years now and my troops are still sieging Veneto, istria and dalmatia, i think that is a bug?

If it is, it was in EUI too, I once besieged Venice with Von Frundsberg (seige 2) and 20 cannon for three years and not a dent was made in the fortress.

BTW, what good is having your independence guarenteed if you can be annexed and nothing happens?
 

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Re: Re: Hungary Aar

Originally posted by Africanus
what good is having your independence guarenteed if you can be annexed and nothing happens?

Two words..........BETA TESTING:D

The game is still being worked on, so bugs are crawling all over, eeeek:eek: theres one now SPLAT!
 

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Well, that's one bug that seemed to help you. Interesting feature, though. How would it be implimented though? They don't know if C's independence is threatened until you annex C. At which point you would then annex T (assuming the war ended when you annexed C). Would almost serve to help the aggressor rather than hinder. Maybe only powerful countries should be allowed to. What would France care, for example, if cologne guarenteed the independance of Baden? Its just another country to annex without declaring war.
 

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Just some questions on the AI. Hope you are allowed to answer. Does the no battle tactics still work. Does the AI siege multiple provinces if it has a big enough army? (Of course this depends on the siege rules, maybe this won't be a good idea anymore) Does it try to stop your sieges, or force a battle if it's army is bigger? How about protecting it's capital or going after yours? Generally of the known weaknesses of the millitary AI which ones have been improved and to what extent?
Just a few more words on the political situation in Hungary. I really don't like the idea of Transylvania guaranteeing the independance of Croatia. I mean they weren't really that independant themselves. Well this might not be the right thread for this.
Anyway, nice AAR.
 

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Sorry about the crash but the AAR and AI sounds very interesting. As for Venice.... did anyone (historically speaking) capture Venice before Napoleon?
 

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Actualy in 1419 Transylvania and Croatia culd be best Hungarian "frends" so Hungary shuld have vassalization on them and be thear "protector" protecting them for its "noble" wishes :D

But the best AAR for me I ewer see :)
btw thers samthing ...Province named Krain is in Hungary at start is it? With Odenburg and Presburg thats ok if Krain would be caled Croatia and Croatia Slavonia :( perhaps this will be corected in future

And as Carlous Rex opera fan sead BRAVO!!BRAVO!! :)
 

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GO WARSPITE, GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Cool to here finally from Your AAR, did You get any leaders, what about the default leaders???? (and the tech-levels)

Apropos, don't forget to proudly wear the title of beeing a member of: "The order of the Scourge of God" hehehe



OOOH, almost forget:

PARADOX NO INDEPENDENT TRANSSYLVANIA!!!!!!!

UNTIL 1570 THERE WAS NO PRINCE NEITHER A VICEROY NEITHER A CLIENT RULER OF TRANSSYLVANIA, BUT ONLY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE KING, A REEVE (YOU MIGHT CALL IT A GOVERNOR), WHICH THE HUNGARIAN KINGDOM HAD A DOZEN OF FOR ITS DIFFERENT REGIONAL ENTITIES. THUS THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR MAKING TRANSSYLVANIA A VASSAL OF HUNGARY EITHER IN 1419 or 1492 (BTW, IT WAS A PART OF HUNGARY IN THE EUI !!!!!!!!!! NOT A VASSAL!!!!!!!!!). AS IT WAS AN INEGRAL PART OF HUNGARY IT HAD THE SAME KING, SAME MONEY, SAME CULTURE, SAME LANGUAGE, SAME ADMINISRTATION, SAME ARMY, SAME PARLIAMENT ………. WELL IF THAT DOES NOT MAKE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE COUNTRY THAN I DO NOT KNOW WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF TRANSSYLVANIA WERE A VASSAL OF HUNGARY IN 1419 THAN FOR THE SAME UNHISTORICAL NONSE THE PRINCE OF WALES IS A VICEROY THUS THER SHOULD BE A VASSAL STATE CALLED WALES IN ENGLAND, THERE SHOULD BE A VASSAL DAUPHINE COUNTRY IN FRANCE AND SO FORTH (AND THERE IS EVEN MORE JUSTIFICATION FOR THESE LATTER ONES AS THEY INFACT WERE PRINCIPALITIES WHERES ONCE MORE AGAIN: TRANSSYLVANIA WAS NEVER EVER A PRINCIPLITY UNTIL 1570!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

PLEASE PARADOX IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS ABOUT HUNGARY OR TRANSSYLVANIA TRY TO LOOK UP SOME AUTHENTIC HISTORY BOOKS NOT JUST SOME SITES WHERAS PEOPLE PUT ON (I ASSUME WITH A GOOD INTENTION) FALSE NAMES, AND INFORMATION. I DO NOT EVEN BLAME THEM AS HUNGARIAN HISTORY IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT VERY KNOWN.



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Re: Hungary Aar

Originally posted by warspite
I just had the most frustrating game ...

1426
I make a breakthrough, i retook banat from the serbs and defeated their main army in serbia. Now the serbs were hurting as my 25000 men marched through their capital city and they only had 6000 recruits marching to meet me. Ahhh i will celebrate victory soon. OR WOULD I

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, those 6000 bloody serbs not only beat me out of kosovo, they beat my army out of serbia then chased me to banat and beat me there also...

Hope you liked my EU2 AAR.:D Hungary rules

Hi Warspite

I liked your AAR very much and would like to here more!! Please reload your savegame and go on!!
I'm curious how is it possible that these 6000 serbian beat your army which were 4 times bigger than theirs? Is it a bug? I've heard that there were such a problem in EU1 also. I've seen a battle between Venice and Ragusa. Venice had an army of about 30000 men and Ragusa had the half of it. Venice also had a named leader. I was very!! surprised than Ragusa won this battle!
:eek:
OK I agree that there can be some surprising results but this a little bit too much surprise for me.
 

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Hey Smiffus, I am not shouting merely arguing.
But to give you an example of the severity of this situation:

Imagine a game (let say WWII game) with the US starting position of having an INDEPENDENT California.

Now the "historical justification for this is: there was indeed an independent California at one time in History (although a 150 years earlier, as there was an independent Transsylvania starting from 1570, 131 years later than 1419)

Besides the main battles of WWII were in Eurpoe (as some people pointed out as an argument that the main events happened in the western part of Europe in the XVI-XVIII cenntury anyway)

And at last but not least: the previous version of the game had already made signifacant mistakes (New Mexico, Arizona were Mexican provinces, as in EUI Pressburg, Odenburg were "given" to Austria although they have nevere ever been part of it (although they were corrected in EUII, I must admit that)

So, here is my question: WOULD YOU BE UPSET?? I THINK YOU WOULD.
WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT: ARGUE, ARGUE, AND ARGUE AGAIN. SO THESE ARE A FEW REASONS FOR ME BEING PASSIONATE. Sorry if it is hearting Your ears this morning, but than again it is important.

Cherioooooo
;) ;)
 

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Originally posted by Attila the Hun
Hey Smiffus, I am not shouting merely arguing.

Using CAPSLOCK is by definition shouting, and it's starting to irritate the people at Paradox.

I've already been taking to People working at Paradox for a few days now about events and other stuff regarding Hungary in EU2.
However you shouting about this in every related as well as nonrelated thread will just make it harder for me get any of the changes in.

Instead, please cool down with arguing about this on the forum and help me out by sending information and/or online links to material that might help me get an accurate picture of HUN and all the sorounding nations.
My e-mail is sauron@pp.sbbs.se

Any material "magyarúl" will be read too =)
 

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Chill?

Originally posted by Attila the Hun
Hey Smiffus, I am not shouting merely arguing.

In case you are not familiar with the term, using all caps in a forum or chat room is called "shouting" and is considered very poor manners. By the way, "spamming" is the repeated posting or emailing of unrelated or unsolicited messages.

You seem very knowledgable about Hungarian history. I think you will be more persuasive with your argument, and irritate fewer people, if you refrain from shouting and spamming threads.

Christopher

P.S. Warsprite, great little AAR there! Fighting in Eastern Europe and the Balkans is always a fav in EU. :)

(Edit: I posted this before seeing Attila's new post in the EU General Discussions forum. Nice argument there, Attila.)
 
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SECOND HUNGARY AAR

I started a new game with hungary and im going to give a brief description of how it goes. It went something like this.

In 1419, i decided not to go after the croat and serb alliance. They gave me such hell last game that i chose to try and consolidate my rightful lands in maros and trasylvania. Well that prince was allied with moldavia and wallachia princes. So I DOWed all three of them basically.

At first i just sieged maros and sieberbrugen gave me trasylvania and 300 ducats with no trouble. the moldavian and wallachian armies however gave me much grief and i had to fight back and forth against them.

By 1423 i had gained good ground, mainly because i could replace my troops faster than they could. yet they won more battles. I made a breakthrough by sieging wallachia, thus cutting off her main supply. She was easy to annex once i won the siege.

Next in 1424 was moldavia who fought tooth and nail and i almost lost ground against her. but again i used my shear weight and numbers to overwhelm her and at last i sieged moldova and bujak and she surrendered some cash and bujak to the king of hungary.

1425 i had good stability and my economy began to prosper. i began to focus on more land policy than naval for obvious reason.

Then suddenly there was a great scandal in my country, i lost much stability because of it and i said, well hell, this is a perfect time to DOW moldavia and sieberbrugen because im already -2 stability. so i went to war again in 1426 and my goal was simply to annex all of moldavia and maros. which i did quite easily considering they were not prepared for such a quick attack on my part.

What hurt me was three rebellions in wallachia, bujak and krain. but after some attacking with my armies i finally beat the enemy down. At last some peace in hungary and now it was time to refocus on economy and my outrageous inflation of 24%

more later
 

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some notes

i have no generals, just generic armies,

by 1430 i have 350ducats and stability is 0

i own a good chunk of land now too haveing taking walachia and moldavia and sieberbrugen or whatever they call that new country;)

forgive me for typing super fast and making mondo spel erors:D
 
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