Humiliation tad useless isn´t it?

[1alexey]

Yeah it´s the only real use for the thing, won´t use it again as a GP unless I get it for free.

And no I´m not saying they should have indutrial score 10, just that it should be lower, while in fact it made no difference at all.

So, do i read you right, you want a CB that would cripple any GP, even most powerfull, for decades, and you also want it to be infamy-cheaper then state by state dismemberment?

Don`t you think that wish is unrealistic?

You can already get humiliate to decimate prestige, and cut down to size, that cripples military score, for 14 infamy total. If anything, that is too good already.

 

[Beagá]

Oh sure then I get a state somewhere and get 25 infamy. Then 15 years doing barely nothing.

Pure genius and excellent results. Not. Rather save the infamy for CB that will give me pure material benefits. I got more bang from my buck by using infamy to get Java from Netherlands than that humiliation CB.

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

Yes, it's a waste of time

 

[Zulfurlubak]

I'd disagree with OP, humiliation wargoal has its uses.
It's cheap and fast way for small countries to get some prestige at the beginning of the game to help them to start. It's good way to push back a bit your main rivals as a GP.
Since it's cheap in infamy, only 3, and very fast to produce unlike other CBs, you could often produce it infamy free at all or for very little infamy. It could be used as workaround to get at war with countries you have truce at the moment buy making humiliate CB against their allies. As mentioned above it could be used to get at war with country you want some region from but for some reason you need to strike right at the moment. So you can make humiliate wargoal and then add acquiring state wargoal during the war itself.
No offence here but it would be rather silly to expect one of the most resilient GPs to cripple just because of one humiliation war. In my recent game Austria lost 5 wars in row, got reducing to 5m populace from 10m starting because they were forces to release Bohemia-Moravia, Romania and Lombardia. Their territory was heavily occupied for 5-6 years in total and they can barely field 30 brigades now. And they still a GP, yes. They might drop soon enough but by 1900 they are still a GP even through all they've suffered. So basically if you are planning on seriously beating one of GPs out of their status you might as well consider spending almost half of the game for it and tons of infamy too. If you want faster results there are cutting down to size and that awesome new liberate country wargoals. Liberating Ukraine from Russia or India from Great Britain for example hurts them very seriously even if it costs 11 infamy.

 

[blaidd]

Oh sure then I get a state somewhere and get 25 infamy. Then 15 years doing barely nothing.

Great Wars are your friend. Fully Industrialized European States for 3.4 infamy points.

 

[Darsara]

Of course it has uses, but more for some conditions than others. For instance in my Egypt game, humiliating Yemen, Tripoli, Ethiopia, and Nedj was important for getting the prestige I needed to become a Great Power. That was also the case in a Ukrainian game, where I had plenty of manpower for decent military and Industry scores, but had very low prestige.

 

[Arentak]

When I play as an unciv, and don't have my first military reform yet, I do humiliate wars to boost my own prestige to give me access to WM items. When I am a major power and have no badboy and am not planning on getting any soon, I might add humiliate, since the 3BB will go away in no time, and I get prestige, and my enemy loses it.