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I think it's a reflection of our civilization's huge cultural diversity. Especially since the government is the United Nations, which you'd think would be promoting multiculturalism.
 

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I want to make another joke but watching that video just makes me too depressed.

It's both glorious and horrifying at the same time. But the music works too well to stop watching...

Nobody ever takes a threat seriously until it's breaking down their door.

I just hope it's not too late.

Yeah... it doesn't help that the 2016 elections are basically: Whomever has the best memes, wins.
 
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From the fact that there are so many agreements and disagreements for everyone's opinion on what the human race's ethics should be just goes to prove that this is a controversial subject that doesn't have a definite answer. In the end make the human race you think should be the representation of humans if it means that much to you.
 
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Right, but I wasn't talking about whether human beings are bad. It's about whether human nature is inherently bad. At the time Hobbes was writing, the idea that all human beings possessed a similar moral nature was still a relatively new concept, and even at the time there were people (like Sir Robert Filmer) who vehemently argued against it. I'm not saying that most people on earth believe that humans are inherently good, because even in societies where that is the case it is still necessary to explain immortality, but most people don't think that all humans throughout time and space have possessed a similar moral nature which leads them to behave one way or another.

I mean, the state of nature which Hobbes was writing about was not something which he thought ever actually existed, except in the brief moments when the social order breaks down and complete anarchy takes over (the English civil war was still very fresh in Hobbes' mind). The unrestrained war of all against all is too intolerable to be allowed to continue, so reason will naturally lead people to form contracts for their own protection, precisely because the alternative is so awful. Even your cavemen have made contracts with each other, otherwise there would be no society to evict people from.

For Filmer, on the other hand, people did not band together in commonwealths out of fear of anarchy, instead they had been created and would always exist within a natural hierarchy. Fathers ruled families. Kings ruled subjects. Humans existed and would always exist in the position God made them, with individual natures according to their position in the great chain of being. What I was getting at was that, for many people even today, the universe still appears more like the way Filmer saw it than the way Hobbes saw it.

Anyway, I don't mean to get all off topic. It was a silly throwaway comment.
 
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For Filmer, on the other hand, people did not band together in commonwealths out of fear of anarchy, instead they had been created and would always exist within a natural hierarchy. Fathers ruled families. Kings ruled subjects. Humans existed and would always exist in the position God made them, with individual natures according to their position in the great chain of being. What I was getting at was that, for many people even today, the universe still appears more like the way Filmer saw it than the way Hobbes saw it.

That is a depressing thought.
 
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Funny thing is, that we are EVERY single ethos in this game, why? because it all is developed by the human experience, space won't acctually be like this at all...we won't be able to comprehend what we find...sooooo, we use the most evilist parts of our experience as humans to portray "evil" aliens, and the most positive parts of our experience as "Good" aliens..

(disclaimer, all words such as postive, negative, and the entire theory of alignment and morality is a human creation, and may differ in reality.)
 
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After all, it's one possible outcome of what humanity might be in two centuries. Someone posted a screenshot on Twitter some months ago: It showed the Sol system, with an Earth that's been devastated by nuclear warfare a long time before the year 2200.
 

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Funny thing is, that we are EVERY single ethos in this game, why? because it all is developed by the human experience, space won't acctually be like this at all...we won't be able to comprehend what we find...sooooo, we use the most evilist parts of our experience as humans to portray "evil" aliens, and the most positive parts of our experience as "Good" aliens..

(disclaimer, all words such as postive, negative, and the entire theory of alignment and morality is a human creation, and may differ in reality.)
Yeah, but isn't that the point of ethos divergence? Maybe in the future one ethic system will come to dominate the planet (we're kinda already there with capitalism), but colonials have a long history of having differing political opinions than homelanders.
 

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Yeah, but isn't that the point of ethos divergence? Maybe in the future one ethic system will come to dominate the planet (we're kinda already there with capitalism), but colonials have a long history of having differing political opinions than homelanders.

I find that quite doubtful cause during the entire human history, there has never been a halt to ever evolving plethora of ideas that come about. even when a ideology or ethos has dominated our species, or a segment of them for a long time, it's always overcomed or evolves into a slightly different thing.

Also, even today with captalism, every other ethos in the game is still heavily engrained into our species, just dependant on location, culture etc.
 

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The British Space Empire shall be a xenophile people - as we will go forth and bring Civilisation and Tea to the alien. Obviously we will require a strong space army to bring Civilisation, and a powerful space navy to bring the Tea.


So pre-ftl species will have fun.


My next play through will probably be an Imperium where we will purge the xenos and spread the emperors holy light to the galaxy.
 
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Hehe yeah I don't see why we should be Xenophile. Evidently we can't even stand each other.

We may have more in common with the Blorg than we think :p
 
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I hope we can find a Human Fallen Empire out in the galaxy.
 
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yeah I don't see why we should be Xenophile.
Ever notice how Carl Sagan or Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about astronomy and science seems to touch something intrinsic in all of us? Ever notice that desire to not be the only intelligent life in the universe, to find someone else out there, someone to ask all those questions we've always wanted to ask about everything and someone to learn about anew? That desire to explore, to find out what's out there and then go there? That's how we're xenophiles.
 
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That desire to explore, to find out what's out there and then go there? That's how we're xenophiles.

That's a strange definition of xenophilia.

Anyways, Earth is not that global so I feel I can't take one ethos and use it for all, but for western world, right now, I think I would go with borderline individualist fanatic and borderline materialist fanatic, with splashes of xenophile.
 
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