Might chance with 1.23 though, Quantity again takes over the crown from Offensive as the best mil group
Humanist or Influence
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Might chance with 1.23 though, Quantity again takes over the crown from Offensive as the best mil group
You'll run around with tons of mercs even with Quantity because a single non-asymmetrical war with full troops will empty your pool completely. Even just a few consecutive wars drain you completely, forcing you to idle around for a while.
And weaker starts have 0mp anyways. Those run around with full merc stacks starting in 1460 even because cash is easier to come by than MP.
The additional merc FL comes in handy.
Again, nothing about admin matters once you decide to play relaxed without a goal, obviously.
But those are the runs where I've seen people using Espionage. It's a fun run, do whatever you want.
These runs should not be the base for any discussion about actual strength.
And weaker starts have 0mp anyways. Those run around with full merc stacks starting in 1460 even because cash is easier to come by than MP.
The additional merc FL comes in handy.
Again, nothing about admin matters once you decide to play relaxed without a goal, obviously.
But those are the runs where I've seen people using Espionage. It's a fun run, do whatever you want.
These runs should not be the base for any discussion about actual strength.
So you use full merc infantry to save manpower, speding more than double the ducats every month to....avoid getting your pool empty...? so you use manpower for what? 4 cav and 20 cannons?
Again, I don't want to vassal feeding, cause it's not going to be my strategy, just as simple as that.......I just wanted to know if humanist ideas were worth it....
Again, I don't want to vassal feeding, cause it's not going to be my strategy, just as simple as that.......I just wanted to know if humanist ideas were worth it....
The answer is maybe.
If you're going with self-imposed restrictions, you need to present them in a coherent fashion if you want advice about variant play.
he wanted humanist vs influence (why? no clue, you usually compare them to religious not to each other), he was given it, he decided on one, trying to get him to blob is not part of the topic
Yea, but without blobbing the argument can be thrown out the window.
If you aren't expanding rapidly you don't care about rebels.
So he'd have to ask himself "how fast do I want to expand" and "do I have problems with rebels at the speed I chose?"
And if the answer is "below WC speed" and "not really" then he can go Influence every single time because helping you with rebel issues is the only reason to ever pick Humanist.
The idea group has zero other functions aside from idea cost reduction and that alone simply doesn't justify the pick.
Humanist or influence? Answer is normally both.
Humanist depends a little on the style of play. People say you don't need it before 1600 but no rebels is huge. Of course first 2 admin ideas come first but humanist third even without finishing admin is very strong.
Influence is the best balanced group in the game. Situationally one can prefer exploration over it but fourth group would be the latest. Normally only admin would be higher priority.
For the OP you do not specify your strat which precludes taking both but actually you don't need to. Just give up said strat.
Humanist depends a little on the style of play. People say you don't need it before 1600 but no rebels is huge. Of course first 2 admin ideas come first but humanist third even without finishing admin is very strong.
Influence is the best balanced group in the game. Situationally one can prefer exploration over it but fourth group would be the latest. Normally only admin would be higher priority.
For the OP you do not specify your strat which precludes taking both but actually you don't need to. Just give up said strat.
Even without blobbing, there's no strong goal/reasoning that answers why two groups that don't compete with each other should be chosen in mutually exclusive fashion.
Should I take naval or innovative? Even if I pick innovative and insist I'm only doing one or the other, that still kills the utility of advice.
Unity and tolerance of wrong-religion is pretty important not just for anti-rebels but also against corruption. Humanist isn't a bad $$$ saving group...at least not until your expansion w/o deus vult drags you into unbalanced research.
If you underexpand influence isn't very helpful either.
OK.....let me clear this....I don't like vassal feeding, BUT since is a good strategy i wanted to try it, after 10 years or so i realised it was not gonna go as planned, I wanted my vassal to deal with rebels (and less since they owned a lot of core), but I knew humanist ideas were good to avoid getting rebels, SO I asked you if these ideas were really that good, otherwise I would have used the influence and diplo for the vassals, cause yes, I'm not aiming for a WC but I'm getting a lot of rebels anyway, and......manpower is going down...down...down becase of this.....and.....AS I said before, you may be thinking that those are both necessary, but if I'm not gonna release and eat vassals, why would I take influence?
Religious ideas give you a good cb and let you convert provinces fast, but, they don't help so much with rebels like the humanist......
Religious ideas give you a good cb and let you convert provinces fast, but, they don't help so much with rebels like the humanist......
I had an answer here, but deleted it because it's like you said: not really worth the discussion.
Both groups are extremely strong and you usually don't decide between them since they aren't part of the same group.
Humanist won't help you if it's your vassal who gets the rebels. Or did I misread that?
Prior to imperialism, after completing it you have -50% cost of DIP on all unclaimed provinces. That's no joke, it helps a lot, and AE reduction doesn't hurt either. Of course you're still better off using vassals with it, but that's also true of diplomatic. If you skip influence your only real DIP choices are espionage (questionable) and exploration (situational, but your best bet if banning influence/diplomatic).
Humanist is THE anti-rebel group. Religious is ok on nations that convert to true faith quickly but it still gets more rebels overall.
The gist of it is that no rationale will make you decide between these two. You either take one, the other, both, or neither but there's no point in comparing them against each other. They're not mutually exclusive, are decent enough on their own merits, and work well together.
I like the title comparison: what is better, sugar or stone? 
Both ideas have their use, both are good, both serve their purposes, both are worth taking—in different conditions though.
Both ideas have their use, both are good, both serve their purposes, both are worth taking—in different conditions though.
I didn't expressed myself correctly then, the comparison never really existed for you, but was just for me......I had to choose one of those, influence was the one choosen, but then I changed my mind about humanist and decided to take that......there's no comparison for you, ok fine....but stop with the same comments about this please
Yes I know this, infact I'm not gonna release vassals with humanist.......but with influence I would have, and the rebels would have been less for them and they had their army too ecc ecc....