Humanism Why?

[Zardnaar]

Generally I stufggle to see the point of this idea. OK it makes your empire more stable but so does religion. I almost never take this idea and have even started to prefer economics over it.

I could maybe see an argument for it being used in China and I tested out humanist+religion for Spain due to the sheer quantity of weird cultures I had and religion was struggling to convert at the rate I was expanding.

Basically if I am Iberian or French I can live without it. If I am in the east or can get to the east (Balkans, Lithuania area)I will take religion every time. Ottomans can get by without it and if you are trying to form Germany or play the HRE culture is often very similar.

I sometimes (rarely) take it for policies like my Hansa/Brandenburg/Savoy/Milan so I can get a 30% or 40% discount on ideas (humanism+trade policy)which adds up if you take it early. Triple stacking it with a theologian and plutocracy more or less eliminates revolts I suppose but I normally solve them via mercs.

The main problem I see with it though is you can build a stable realm without it in various ways and by that I mean I usually prefer religious.

 

[Tweakee]

I almost always prefer Humanist to Religious, unless I need the CB or know I'll have to convert a huge province. Humanists unrest and accepted culture modifiers are massively powerful.

There may be other ways to build a stable empire than Humanism, but there's no BETTER way.

 

[Xanthippus]

Pursuing religious tolerance is a valid strategy. Means you don't have to spend money on missionaries, nor wait for provinces to be converted before they simmer down. You rarely have to deal with religious wars/rebels. And there are just some nice bonuses you get with the idea.

 

[ikkiks]

It's pretty good for a large conquest game that isn't done on heretic/heathen land. For example, conquering Europe as a catholic or conquering middle east and africa as sunni.

It's great for the Ottomans or Castile. It's good for France. You could combo it with religious in a normal game, just to have absolutely no rebels and to decrease autonomy easily.

 

[Kansai-kun]

It's pretty good for a large conquest game that isn't done on heretic/heathen land. For example, conquering Europe as a catholic or conquering middle east and africa as sunni.

It's great for the Ottomans or Castile. It's good for France. You could combo it with religious in a normal game, just to have absolutely no rebels and to decrease autonomy easily.

It's also a good set of ideas, if you want to play a multicultural empire that doesn't trample on its subjects.

 

[gnome109]

Along with the standard idea bonuses, it enables some exceptional events.

 

[Emiliana]

Less nationalism is the only reason I would think there could possibly be needed for it

as in: that is the hook. the rest is bonus

 

[Jacobinx]

If you play on Hard difficulty, especially if you play inside HRE, you have to maximize your relations over time modifier by using Humanism+Diplomacy(for politics)+Advisor.

 

[hauptman]

BROT.

That is the only reason to take it.

 

[WhiskyGlen]

I liked it before the rebel mechanics was revised. I haven't taken it since.

 

[LordNeidhart]

The power of Humanist isn't the ideas themselves, but more the policies they enable. Reduced Idea Cost, anyone?

 

[Emiliana]

BROT.

That is the only reason to take it.

why must people use abbreviations please explain what is BROT

 

[hauptman]

Better Relations Over Time.

 

[Incompetent]

Better Relations Over Time.

 

[hauptman]

The power of Humanist isn't the ideas themselves, but more the policies they enable. Reduced Idea Cost, anyone?

If reduced idea cost is a policy, it's a real bad one.

Spend 120 mana per year, to save 40 mana on an idea every 3 years....?

 

[LordNeidhart]

If reduced idea cost is a policy, it's a real bad one.

Spend 120 mana per year, to save 40 mana on an idea every 3 years....?

120 mana per year what
That math doesn't really adds up right

 

[Incompetent]

If reduced idea cost is a policy, it's a real bad one.

Spend 120 mana per year, to save 40 mana on an idea every 3 years....?

A policy costs 120 mana over 10 years. It *might* be worth it if you bank up a lot of mana, then buy several ideas at once.

I agree though, it's nothing to get excited about.

 

[WhiskyGlen]

why must people use abbreviations please explain what is BROT

I agree with this. I get annoyed with all the acronyms. I am learning most of them, but is it really that hard to type out the entire phrase for those that do not know?

 

[hauptman]

Doh!~

I'm drinking atm, that's my excuse... Sorry 12 mana per year isnt that bad... I spose.

 

[Slayen]

Also remember that Humanist itself reduces idea cost by 10%.

Honesty, I really love humanist as the Ottomans.