Human Fallen Empire?

[PAnZuRiEL]

I know it's possible to encounter the humans in a random galaxy if you're not playing as them. But can they be encountered as a fallen empire, or do they only ever appear as a "player" AI empire? Personally I think a human fallen empire would be really interesting.

 

[Fossa]

We know Earth can be a tomb world. I'd love to find humanity as a fallen empire, a pre-warp or primitive earth. Maybe the start date of 2200 makes it less probable though.

 

[Yenzen]

They may take some freedoms. It seems like a wasted opportunity not to have it, alongside Tomb World/Atomic Age/Active Faction options.

 

[Milten]

Maybe the start date of 2200 makes it less probable though.

Tbh this date only makes sense when you play as human. Otherwise Year Zero could mark great Borgol's death from alcohol intoxication, when in same time humans were traveling between stars.

 

[Alpacayak]

Maybe the start date of 2200 makes it less probable though.

Why? If we can nuke ourselves to complete annihilation it seems somewhat, maybe just as, plausible we can nuke ourselves to, say, Fallout-universe levels of tech.

 

[VoodooEconomist]

Tbh this date only makes sense when you play as human. Otherwise Year Zero could mark great Borgol's death from alcohol intoxication, when in same time humans were traveling between stars.

I will honour Borgol's sacrifice for all of Borganity today. By imbibing, of course.

 

[Drasp]

It looks to me as if 2200 is the year your Species Go to space. So it could Be that 2200 in blorg years is like 5500 in human years.
Having Said that i would Love to See the humans as a fallen Empire.

 

[Mordaith]

Humans as a Fallen Empire would be awesome. I'd get a kick seeing what ever ethos that humanity had taken on.

 

[Nikolai]

Add me up for another vote for fallen humans.

 

[jazzroen]

well, if the human portrait can pop up like any other for FE status then I guess it should be possible. I wonder if they will be called humans as well or just be given a random mammalian name. but a proper human FE with Earth as it's homeworld sounds awesome

 

[Velorian]

I'd definitely like seeing it. Personally I'd prefer an option for when you play a non-human empire that decides the status of humanity, either:
1. Entirely random (Default)
2. Absent
3. Present, status unknown
4. Present, normal empire
5. Present, fallen empire

It just seems like something people are going to have very different opinions on, some would prefer humanity to not even be in that galaxy, others would be very disappointed if their particular game didn't even have them.

 

[Gaussia]

I'd definitely like seeing it. Personally I'd prefer an option for when you play a non-human empire that decides the status of humanity, either:
1. Entirely random (Default)
2. Absent
3. Present, status unknown
4. Present, normal empire
5. Present, fallen empire

It just seems like something people are going to have very different opinions on, some would prefer humanity to not even be in that galaxy, others would be very disappointed if their particular game didn't even have them.

You forgot "present but primitive"! Then you will have to tick in which of normal, primitive, fallen you want possible (add advanved start to that...). If one wants full customization I can imagine the menus growing quite big... (not that I mind, but will take a genius on UI to get it done well).

 

[Velorian]

You forgot "present but primitive"! Then you will have to tick in which of normal, primitive, fallen you want possible (add advanved start to that...). If one wants full customization I can imagine the menus growing quite big... (not that I mind, but will take a genius on UI to get it done well).

Just make it a drop-down menu, it only takes up one spot and it has default pre-selected so it won't really bother anyone.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

I think it'd also be interesting to see a human empire that had lost or abandoned the Earth -- so the Sol system would always be present in the same galaxy as the humans, but not always as a part of their empire.

 

[Incompetent]

Everyone's favourite example, the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40k, would be a reasonable model of a human Fallen Empire (albeit much larger and scarier than you'd want to encounter in Stellaris). The Imperium is not exactly primitive from a technological standpoint, and yet real-life humanity as a whole has been more innovative than the 40k Imperium in terms of change per year since at least the start of the Neolithic (~12k years ago).

 

[SolarGuy]

I'd definitely like seeing it. Personally I'd prefer an option for when you play a non-human empire that decides the status of humanity, either:
1. Entirely random (Default)
2. Absent
3. Present, status unknown
4. Present, normal empire
5. Present, fallen empire

It just seems like something people are going to have very different opinions on, some would prefer humanity to not even be in that galaxy, others would be very disappointed if their particular game didn't even have them.

By "Absent", do you mean that the Sol system doesn't exist in the galaxy, or that it exists but humanity doesn't?
And what about another option: Present, cybernetically modified? They would still be humans, maybe they even still call themselves humans, but they use cybernetic implants and enhancements.

 

[Simaimch]

Maybe the start date of 2200 makes it less probable though.

There are some SciFi-scenarios where we (on earth) are a lost colony of a way bigger human empire.

Or some humans got abducted 10.000 years ago, overthrew their masters and came back to make earth their capital (may also explain some big differences in ideology).

Or this is an alternate universe, where Poland rules half of the world and invented FTL-travel in 1850. Because Poland can into space.

 

[Wolfshield156]

There are some SciFi-scenarios where we (on earth) are a lost colony of a way bigger human empire.

Or some humans got abducted 10.000 years ago, overthrew their masters and came back to make earth their capital (may also explain some big differences in ideology).

Or this is an alternate universe, where Poland rules half of the world and invented FTL-travel in 1850. Because Poland can into space.

I think I would like to use the second form in a story now... it would be interesting if the aliens trying to conquer earth are actually humans that had rebel from the race that enslave them. I can see it now.

 

[Velorian]

By "Absent", do you mean that the Sol system doesn't exist in the galaxy, or that it exists but humanity doesn't?
And what about another option: Present, cybernetically modified? They would still be humans, maybe they even still call themselves humans, but they use cybernetic implants and enhancements.

Well, I'd mean no Sol system at all. For when you want to play in a galaxy that clearly isn't the Milky Way.

I'm always for more options really, but I guess they have to put the foot down somewhere so I just mentioned the ones I thought were most important. If they are severely cybernetically modified I think it's more appropriate that they also be a Fallen Empire though.

 

[SolarGuy]

Well, I'd mean no Sol system at all. For when you want to play in a galaxy that clearly isn't the Milky Way.

I'm always for more options really, but I guess they have to put the foot down somewhere so I just mentioned the ones I thought were most important. If they are severely cybernetically modified I think it's more appropriate that they also be a Fallen Empire though.

What do you think, could Fallen Empires also have more than one species? Like, a fallen Human empire that has control over some other species? Fallen Empires have more than one planet initially, so that wouldn't be impossible.