Human Customization?

[Yenzen]

In that case you assume that your pan-human government is a tolerant, democratic one.

But what if Earth is ruled by space nazis ? There might not be the same diversity...

What if it's ruled by the Greenland Federation of the Native Northerners? And they wiped out all the other people of Earth? Why is the game so bigoted it won't portray this eventuality?

Regardless of how you want to play humanity, it'll appear multiracial in its POPs.

 

[[Q]uik]

Kind of disagree that a future DLC could make an interesting aspect of internal politics with the succession and ruling family (autocracies), political infighting among the elite (plutocracy and military dictatorship) and shifting power of parties (democracies).

We have a game for that though, it's called CK2 =P

 

[Cruxador]

In that case you assume that your pan-human government is a tolerant, democratic one.

But what if Earth is ruled by space nazis ? There might not be the same diversity...

Yeah, I would like options to constrain the ethnicities in a race, and it would be nice if pops on a given planet would tend to be less diverse and develop their own ethnic "look" to them, but I think this is beyond the scope of what the portrait variation allows for.

We have a game for that though, it's called CK2 =P

There are political parties in CK2?

 

[Yenzen]

Yeah, I would like options to constrain the ethnicities in a race, and it would be nice if pops on a given planet would tend to be less diverse and develop their own ethnic "look" to them, but I think this is beyond the scope of what the portrait variation allows for.

There are political parties in CK2?

Do we really want a [this species committed genocide of every ethnic group but themselves] button for species generation...?

 

[CyberSpyder]

Do we really want a [this species committed genocide of every ethnic group but themselves] button for species generation...?

That'd work. Also, a toggle for matriarchical/patriarchical/egalitarian.

 

[Yenzen]

That'd work. Also, a toggle for matriarchical/patriarchical/egalitarian.

But with most species you don't even know which gender any given alien is...

Whatever, that's fine, if a species actually has an extreme dimorphic biology, sure.

The abundant love for genocide? A little concerning.

 

[Cruxador]

Do we really want a [this species committed genocide of every ethnic group but themselves] button for species generation...?

I would term it more neutrally, and let people choose to roleplay a monoethnic group however they want. Maybe only one race survived some plague, maybe people are just so cosmopolitan and xenophilic that everyone is an equivalent mix, maybe there only is one race just because they don't like Paradox's portraits for the other ones. Doesn't have to be racist.

That'd work. Also, a toggle for matriarchical/patriarchical/egalitarian.

Yeah. Some of sort of options that are being added to CK2 would be cool in Stellaris.

The abundant love for genocide?

Nobody's talking about that but you mate.

 

[CyberSpyder]

But with most species you don't even know which gender any given alien is...

Whatever, that's fine, if a species actually has an extreme dimorphic biology, sure.

The abundant love for genocide? A little concerning.

I don't think it's particularly about genocide, so much as simply presenting a specific character of your empire, which one often wants to be inspired by historical empires. If you're trying to represent, for example, the Eternal Shogunate, it'd be a little disconcerting if Bob Whittaker the white guy shows up as next in line to the Chrysanthemum Throne, and it's only marginally better if he's Hatsuse Wakatakeru the white guy. Same thing if there's a great profusion of Asians in the court of God-Emperor Haile Selassie LXIV. It undermines the theme.

 

[Yenzen]

I would term it more neutrally, and let people choose to roleplay a monoethnic group however they want. Maybe only one race survived some plague, maybe people are just so cosmopolitan and xenophilic that everyone is an equivalent mix, maybe there only is one race just because they don't like Paradox's portraits for the other ones. Doesn't have to be racist.


Yeah. Some of sort of options that are being added to CK2 would be cool in Stellaris.


Nobody's talking about that but you mate.

Seeing as how Cyberspider would find than fine, I don't think you speak for everyone.

Overall the more practical problem is that it simply can't be supported, as each ethic groups seems to have a relatively small pool of options for humans, and for aliens it's just major or minor colour variations.

 

[CyberSpyder]

It was tongue-in-cheek, Yenzen - despite your phrasing, the functional meaning of your proposal would simply be an option that would collapse the portraits to a single phenotype, and that's the part that would be fine.

 

[Sinister2202]

if you pre-order, you get fungoid infested humans.

 

[Ziffallo]

Porn star trait DLC.

 

[vistuvis]

We need a 'Legacy of Humanity' DLC.

 

[Surimi]

Just mod it.

This kind of thing is very unlikely to be added, because it's kind of squicky. However, I imagine it will be very easy to mod.

 

[barny]

Just take the ruler you get after the first one died, what is the problem here?

Like it matters if he is male or female, black or white, WTF?

 

[sethfc]

Just take the ruler you get after the first one died, what is the problem here?

Like it matters if he is male or female, black or white, WTF?

Some people have preferences, and as said above Modding will likely be the solution.
I for example don't mind ethnic diversity in a unified terran government, but if the human empire ends up being the continuation of the chinese empire it's incredibly unlikely that there will be a nonchinese ruler. Similarly, if you wanted to import (effectively import it by pretending it's the same empire) a game from say EUIV where you as Britain conquered the whole world you would likely only ever see indo-europeans taking the reigns of power/authority. So for some the option to do so is an appealing one, personally I'd prefer it if a mod added in an additional phentotype for humanity specifically (so that the portraits wouldn't occupy a huge section of the mammel area) with basically a portrait select that only contains specific ethnicities, and potentially genders, it'd allow people to effectively play a matriarchal, patriarchal or egalitarian, and/or ethnocentric empire, it'd just take up like 18 portrait slots, so it'd be best done as a mod, with it's own little phenotype category.

 

[mrinku]

A simple checkbox to allow or disallow diversity would be good. Not everyone will want colour variation in their aliens either.