Huguenots.

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Annoying isnt it? Turkey invades and conquers syria then offers the mamaluks 250 gold in exchange for peace :\
Still i wasnt complaining as i was getting stomped over
EVeryone hates the mamaluks.

 

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Wow! I've never, never seen Hueguenot France develop! On the other hand, playing as England I've managed to completely avoid the English Civil War in 2 out of 3 GCs, too. Averages out, I guess.
I have seen an independant Catalonia or Catalyun, but it happened via a round about route. Spain was at war with England, France, Portugal, and Turkey and, for obvious reasons, not doing well. My English Expeditionary Force sieged and took Gibraltar (my goal for the war), then moved on and besieged Catalun for a bargaining chip in peace negotiations. A small Turkish force arrived to 'help' with the siege, and when the province fell it went into Turkish hands - the small force had a multi-star commander with it! Turkey then made a separate peace, keeping the province. Within a couple of years Catalun revolted against the Turks and became independant. Between independant Catalonia, English Gibraltar, Portuguese Andalusia, still-independant Aztec nation and no Spanish colonies or trading posts north of Central America or east of Suez, the Spanish did not prosper in that IGC at all!

 

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After an artificially generated CIvil War (i.e. -3 stability for years and no standing armies) I saw Aragon and Catalunya born from Spain and Granada come back from oblivion.

They were so "strong" that gave me 250ducats each for peace and then i made the 1st 2 vassals in a nice confederation...

 

[maddog0606]

Yes, but only once so far. And it came at a very opportune time.

In my current game playing as Poland and allied to Sweden I was able to grab Normandy from France in a war declared by my good buddy Sweden and France was on the other team.

So there is my army hanging in Normandy waiting for France to declare war on me when what do I spy but a bunch of little guys with pitch forks just roaming all over France and the previous countries that France had swallowed. It made me feel warm and fuzzy all over seeing that.

I decide to join in the fun and mayhem (a golden oportuinity with France SO distracted). I take the stability hit and declare war, with my buddy Sweden. And then Spain declares war on poor defenseless France (poor baby). I grab the proviences on both sides of Normandy and capture the capitol. France offers me the two proviences and I accept. Right after that the Protestant French declare independence and wind up with three proviences and they have kept them.

France is no longer a super power. He has only one port left in his mainland proviences (some how the Turks got a hold of a provience with a port on the French mainland). All I have to worry about now is Austria and Turky.

 

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Screenshots?

If anyone has screenshots of the Protestant French, please do share.


Muta

 

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I didn't see the Huguenots emerge, but I thought that I might! I'm playing my first GC, as England, and did observe (I forget exactly what game years) observe massive revolts in France. If that was it, it never fully emerged, though.

I'm right about at the time to see the English Civil War, if it will happen. But I'm consistently at +3 stability, still showing 0 revolt risk in every province, and rich as Croesus (monopolies in every biggie trade center on the planet). What types of things happen that do/might bring on the war?

 

[Vulture]

Well I am still awaiting the first appearance of Huguenots in my game

Regarding coastal provinces: Béarn & Cevennes are not coastal. Only Poitou has a port.

Btw, are you sure it were only these three provinces? It would be quite weird on the map. They don't border eachother...

 

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Best way to protect the Huegenots is to do an alliance war against France and let them take a couple of French provinces. This will further strengthen the Huegenot economy, while it weakens France itself.

Vassalize them is an advantage because it allows your English forces to always garrison the Huegenot capital, to prevent a large French force from seizing it.

But if you really wanted them to be a strong ally, I suggest you do NOT vassalize them too early. Remember that when you vassalize a nation, you steal HALF of its annual income. That means you get their money, but you leave your vassal economically poor and starving. When you do this too early in the game, the vassal does not have its own money to recruit troops quickly, nor does it have much money to upgrade fortresses and infrastructure. When you leave a vassal so poor that it cannot upgrade fortresses or raise its tech level, it will surely have inferior land forces in the future and it will always lose its battles.

In the end, your goal is a STRONG pro-English Huegenot nation as a counterweight to Evil France, right?

P.S. - the ONLY reason you should want to vassalize early is because you WANT to diplo-annex them. In that case, you dont care about the vassal's economy, because their entire nation will become part of your nation after 10 years anyways. However, it was clear to me that you did NOT want to annex or own further French lands. This is why I say to use the strategy above, to make sure that your Huegenot allies as as militarily and economically strong as possible.

 

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I saw a Corsican nation once.

France wars with Genoa.

France takes Corsica from Genoa.

Soon after, nation of Corsica is borne, declares war on its oppressors France.

France sends large army into island.

France destroys newborn Corsican nation.

Bye bye Corsica, it was nice knowing you...

 

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I managed to get Sardinia, Aragon, Catalonia, Provence, and a six-province (!!) Granada to appear all at once, by deliberately wrecking my Spanish nation just to see what would turn up. The thing that I found odd was that despite losing twenty-odd provinces to rebel states, I only dropped around 100 VPs.

 

[Vulture]

Well I have seen about every possible revolter... I saw Granada, Aragon, Catalunya, Norway, Novgorod, Sicily, Corsica, and others... Never saw Huguenots, Royalists & Ukraine though

 

[PatMaster]

Ukraine is more usual with GC i think?
Anyone else noticed that?

 

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I've had them too..

When playing as Spain in a GC I waged war on France several times attempting to create a path to the Netherlands. I was a newbie at the time and didn't understand how to control rebellions, and most of my cities in France rebelled and formed a 5 city Huguenot. The flag looked cool but it ruined maybe 30 years of effort heh.

 

[sirbruce]

Originally posted by PatMaster
Ukraine is more usual with GC i think?
Anyone else noticed that?

I saw Ukraine revolt from Poland-Lithuania in the 1700s, but they didn't last long; Russia ate them a few years later.

Bruce

 

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Originally posted by sirbruce


I saw Ukraine revolt from Poland-Lithuania in the 1700s, but they didn't last long; Russia ate them a few years later.

Bruce

I sometimes give financial aid to revolters if it seems that they can survive for the first couple of years. If they can survive the first two years, then they might have a good chance to survive and expand and cause more havoc for the host nation. That's worth it to me, since the 'host nation' is often a very large and powerful nation that I usually want to see weakened.

 

[Vulture]

Walsingham... You didn't answer my question: are you sure the Huguenots had only the three provinces you mentioned??? As said, it would be a weird sight. Those provinces don't border at all

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by VultureGFF
Walsingham... You didn't answer my question: are you sure the Huguenots had only the three provinces you mentioned??? As said, it would be a weird sight. Those provinces don't border at all

The one screenshot I've seen of Protestant France was the same-as was the one time I've seen Languedoc appear in the IGC (Gascony and Provence-capital Gascony!)

By the way, I've also seen the Ukraine-once, when I was playing as the Byzantines in the IGC, and the Russians were walking all over the Poles-literally!

 

[Vulture]

I though Huguenots took more provinces in the Poitou surroundings...???
As I said, never had them appear so I don't know

 

[Agelastus]

It depends how well the rebels are doing, I guess. If I remember the Revolt.csv I looked at the other day they need one specific province to revolt to form, the others they can get are effectively just bonuses and don't have to be contiguous

 

[Vulture]

I think Poitou is the one always needed