Huge-oslavia achievement

[Korila]

So i tried to go for Huge-oslavia and took a good look at what's required. So I need to have some specific territories snatched from Italy (namely all of it), Romania, Hungary, Austria, Bulgaria and Greece, which does make it rather hard, does it not?
But wait! It is not finished here! You do not need to occupy Greece, no, you need to occupy Istanbul! That is not even a neighbour at the start and it will never lose the greek core! So forgive me for sounding ironic because I am rather frustrated with this achievement since I cannot grasp, why I have to get Istanbul and not Macedonia since THAT has a Focus.
So my question in the end would be: Is that intended or am I just incredibly stupid?

 

[Flunph]

Hi, to get the achievement you don't have to take Istanbul, what the part about Istanbul in the achievement requirements does is exclude the need to take Istanbul since it's a foreign core of Greece.

 

[Korila]

Thanks for the fast reply. I am still pretty baffled by the fact, that even the Achievements.txt says

all_state = {
OR = {
state = 341
NOT = { is_core_of = GRE }
is_controlled_by = ROOT
}

which would mean, if understanding that formatting correct and comparing to the rest of this particular achievement, I have to somehow get rid of the greek core on Istanbul or am I missing the point?

 

[Omghax]

Hi (Nice avatar btw ). This particular part of the script has an OR clause. Meaning that out of all the statements contained within the following brackets, at least one has to be true for you to be eligible for the achievement (and then this is checked for all states). That means that for every single state in the game it has to either: Be istanbul, Not have a Greek core or be owned by yugoslavia. That means that in the case of istanbul it does not matter if it is a greek core or not as the "is istanbul" check is always true (it also does not matter if you own it or not). That part is there to avoid having you have to take Istanbul due to the greek core there. For all other provinces in the world "Is istanbul" will always be false, so they have to either lack a greek core or be owned by yugoslavia for you to be eligible for the achievement.

I hope this helped clarify things for you (if not let me know and I'll try and break it down in a different way)

 

[Korila]

Thanks again, (and you too, regarding the Avatar ) So I get, what it's supposed to do. Guess I'll have to tinker around a little bit further to see, if I'm simply too stupid to see where I'm doing it all wrong. And sorry if this is/was the wrong subsection of the Forums.

 

[Omghax]

Don't worry about it. I can totally see how it'd come across as a bug (it's not the most easy to read script).

in case it helps here's a few evaluation examples:

all_state = { (Everything inside the {} associated with this statement is checked for every state in the game in turn. If it is true for every state this statement evaluates as true)
OR = { (Out of all statements contained in the brackets associated with this statement if at least one is true, this statement is true.)
state = 341 (True if state is istanbul)
NOT = { is_core_of = GRE } (True if not a greek core)
is_controlled_by = ROOT (True if owned by you)
} (closes the OR statement. As there are no other statements directly "under" all_state, this OR statement is all that gets checked for every state)
} (Closes the all_state statement. So everything above is checked for all states)

For instance if we evaluate this for Istanbul when held by turkey we will get:

OR = { (True as one of the contained statements is true)
state = 341 (True, as the state is istanbul)
NOT = { is_core_of = GRE } (False, as the state has a greek core)
is_controlled_by = ROOT (False, as Turkey, not you controls the state)
}

Similarily doing this for athens when held by Yugoslavia will return

OR = { (True as one of the contained statements is true)
state = 341 (False, as the state is not istanbul)
NOT = { is_core_of = GRE } (False, as the state has a greek core)
is_controlled_by = ROOT (True, as you control the state)
}

Again doing this for Crete while controlled by Greece will give

OR = { (False as none of the below statements are true)
state = 341 (False, as the state is not istanbul)
NOT = { is_core_of = GRE } (False, as the state has a greek core)
is_controlled_by = ROOT (False, as you don't control the state)
}

And finally for say, london while held by england:

OR = { (False as none of the below statements are true)
state = 341 (False, as the state is not istanbul)
NOT = { is_core_of = GRE } (True, as the state lacks a greek core)
is_controlled_by = ROOT (False, as you don't control the state)
}

So these are the evaluations that are done for every single state in the game to check if it should give you the achievement. Only if it come out as true for every state the "all_state" (As the OR statement is "contained" within it and the other 3 statements are "contained" within that) statement will return true and you'll be eligible for the achievement (if you fullfill all the other "all_state" parts as well)

I hope this helped clarify things and didn't come across as condescending.

 

[Korila]

Not at all. This clarifies even further and I am thankful for that since I am not that good at this sort of Codestuff. So Thanks again! And since I am almost sure it's because Germany took a group of isles on the turkish coast.. well, that may be the culprit.

 

[Culthrasa]

Instead of a new topic, i'd thought i'd amend this one...

the achievement isn't firing for my after PC. I basically did an almost world conquest and own all states in turkey and greece (and russia, and most of germany and such)... other pre-req's are fine, this one still is false.

EDIT: Apprendly Greece still exists as a nation, they only have Rhodes. Does that matter? I still own and control Istanbul...

EDIT 2: Yes, that was it, after DoW and lightning conquest (before allies could react) i annexed the last part thereby removeing greece from the game and the achievement fired... What is weird is that since it's an OR statement (as mentioned above) shouldn't it have fired the moment i owned it?

 

[RedArmy]

Yes it is buggy! I had the same problem!
To get the achievement I released Turkey and it was automatically validated.