Hs 129 and P-47 breaks the game

[Ody_CZ]

Problem with Hs129 is how close can go to your tank and fire even under 100m. with AP scaling and acc bonus is very deadly ...but they dont get more vulnerable when they do this... for this reason Hs129 very often looks more durable then the tanks .... HE dont scale with distance. that apply to AA and rakets ... so i thing best balancing for this plane would be give them min fire range ... or make them more vulnerable when they strafe the tank...

 

[HallBregg]

I just had an HS129 fly over a crusader AA, kill a Cromwell, get out of range of the AA and not be even stressed. Can we get the HS129 nerfed pls? they ruin any game where they appear.

 

[Claremont Waltz]

Just played a game vs 3FJ as Guards and I honestly didn't feel the nerf of HS =D

Yeah seriously fuck polstens. They seem to do absolutely nothing to planes and have nil ammo to boot. Crusaders aren't any better.

 

[LegioX]

HS-129 needs to be looked at. Whenever it's being fire on by AA it seems it's suppression via aim is uneffected. I mean 1 hs-129 against 3AD in phase A is basically game over.

 

[ziomax90]

Thunderbolts killing tanks is a rarity in my experience.

The Hs129 is definitely a terminator in the early game, but it gets panicked fairly quickly by AA. Have one or two AA pieces near tanks and they should dissuade one fairly easily in my experience. How much AA do you normally have?

unfortunately its not a rarity , last match i had 3 tank destoy and 2 support tank destoy by thunderbolts.......

 

[ziomax90]

HS-129 needs to be looked at. Whenever it's being fire on by AA it seems it's suppression via aim is uneffected. I mean 1 hs-129 against 3AD in phase A is basically game over.

Legiox you keep writing on the forums claiming for nerf for axis but on the hs as my experience it get suppred so easy with AA .. so if you have problem you not playing good, set some op ally AA and HS will be not effective.

 

[ziomax90]

Allied equivalents actually kill tanks and also soft targets and moreover they can easily get out from a battlefield due to higher speed.

completely right , the thunderbolts have high advantage of speed to both join the target and get away. the HS go very slow and very easy prey of fighters.

 

[ziomax90]

I just had an HS129 fly over a crusader AA, kill a Cromwell, get out of range of the AA and not be even stressed. Can we get the HS129 nerfed pls? they ruin any game where they appear.

the p47 does the same or better , hs is suppose to kill medium light ally tanks and support vehicle.. deal with it

 

[LegioX]

the p47 does the same or better , hs is suppose to kill medium light ally tanks and support vehicle.. deal with it

Which is basically all allied armor. We don't have the luxury of having 22+ armor

 

[LegioX]

Legiox you keep writing on the forums claiming for nerf for axis but on the hs as my experience it get suppred so easy with AA .. so if you have problem you not playing good, set some op ally AA and HS will be not effective.

I wrote one post about nerfing 109 with rocket pods speed down 10 or 20 from what it is currently. I highly doubt that is calling for everything axis to be nerfed.

 

[ziomax90]

Which is basically all allied armor. We don't have the luxury of having 22+ armor

stop crying, you have other luxury as you call them... you have jumpo 20 frontal armor almost unkillable. and you have very strong tanks such as firefly, with powerful at gun 16 pierce and strong antitank either.

 

[LegioX]

stop crying, you have other luxury as you call them... you have jumpo 20 frontal armor almost unkillable. and you have very strong tanks such as firefly, with powerful at gun 16 pierce and strong antitank either.

Not crying. I'm just stating the obvious that you are interpreting as crying.

Jumbo. The almost unkillable tank that shoots a wet noodle gun.

Jumbo is in the 3AD, which basically has the worse starting income of any division in the game. It really shows when hardly anybody ever plays it, which I don't blame them.

 

[fufubear]

stop crying, you have other luxury as you call them... you have jumpo 20 frontal armor almost unkillable. and you have very strong tanks such as firefly, with powerful at gun 16 pierce and strong antitank either.

There is 1 jumbo in a trash deck that is killable by pretty much any German deck because of the 88.

Then there is the firefly that will lose to a panther D.

 

[ziomax90]

There is 1 jumbo in a trash deck that is killable by pretty much any German deck because of the 88.

Then there is the firefly that will lose to a panther D.

and there yuo forget the less cost of the unit compare to german and the fact that the division that doesnt have heavy tank and use only anti tank gun cna be easy deal by aty and planes. so what we talking about? both have some pro and con but as the conquest mode iis ally have huge advantage in phase a and b and then axis wake up hard in c.

 

[LegioX]

and there yuo forget the less cost of the unit compare to german and the fact that the division that doesnt have heavy tank and use only anti tank gun cna be easy deal by aty and planes. so what we talking about? both have some pro and con but as the conquest mode iis ally have huge advantage in phase a and b and then axis wake up hard in c.

I would take a Panther or king tiger over 5 jumbos any day.
Also axis can call in a firefly and 3 star stug in phase A, which can stop any allied push if used right.
Oh yeah most Allied AT guns don't have HE rounds, while almost every axis AT gun does. I mean I can keep going...

 

[fufubear]

and there yuo forget the less cost of the unit compare to german and the fact that the division that doesnt have heavy tank and use only anti tank gun cna be easy deal by aty and planes. so what we talking about? both have some pro and con but as the conquest mode iis ally have huge advantage in phase a and b and then axis wake up hard in c.

There was no reason to mention costs because the other guy said the jumbo is nearly unkillable (flat out false nearly every division has an 88). While it's true that the 88 will just be killed by arty that's not until after the jumbo is killed and the jumbo is only really a threat to panthers when there's multiple. Otherwise it's in constant retreat.

Then he said the firefly is very strong which by allied standards it is but it's worse to the majority of tanks called out by the Germans.

 

[ziomax90]

I would take a Panther or king tiger over 5 jumbos any day.
Also axis can call in a firefly and 3 star stug in phase A, which can stop any allied push if used right.
Oh yeah most Allied AT guns don't have HE rounds, while almost every axis AT gun does. I mean I can keep going...

before writing, go and document your self and than write, for "axis" you mean only the 12ss panzer can have 1 and i repeat 1 firefly that doesnt have HE rounds and cost 200, and is the only thingh you can have in phase A to counter enemy vehicles. and if you loose that you are lost totaly. since other tanks is a lol .

and for the AT guns of the HE rounds go an look and you will see its about the same, only big calibers do in axis and in the support section of ally a lot of gun do both AT and HE and is very op.

 

[ziomax90]

There was no reason to mention costs because the other guy said the jumbo is nearly unkillable (flat out false nearly every division has an 88). While it's true that the 88 will just be killed by arty that's not until after the jumbo is killed and the jumbo is only really a threat to panthers when there's multiple. Otherwise it's in constant retreat.

Then he said the firefly is very strong which by allied standards it is but it's worse to the majority of tanks called out by the Germans.

you do have to mention the costs mate, its essential. its all about the cost, german HEAVY tanks are strong but they cost a lot and for example often to try keeping ground on phase A axis have to use a lot of money and than cant afford much that heavy tanks straight in B . this is example but we can find many.

what you want a sherman have the same cannon as a panther?? of course not ,get real, german heavy tanks have some better perfomance but generally slower and cost a lot of points.

 

[fufubear]

you do have to mention the costs mate, its essential. its all about the cost, german HEAVY tanks are strong but they cost a lot and for example often to try keeping ground on phase A axis have to use a lot of money and than cant afford much that heavy tanks straight in B . this is example but we can find many.

what you want a sherman have the same cannon as a panther?? of course not ,get real, german heavy tanks have some better perfomance but generally slower and cost a lot of points.

What does cost have to do with a tank that is killable easily by nearly every division? The amount of points you wasted to call it out?

And bringing up cost doesn't help the firefly either.

 

[LegioX]

you do have to mention the costs mate, its essential. its all about the cost, german HEAVY tanks are strong but they cost a lot and for example often to try keeping ground on phase A axis have to use a lot of money and than cant afford much that heavy tanks straight in B . this is example but we can find many.

what you want a sherman have the same cannon as a panther?? of course not ,get real, german heavy tanks have some better perfomance but generally slower and cost a lot of points.

what does being slow have to do with it? KT has insane range. Who cares about speed when u can 1 shot tanks at max range with 3 star vetted KT.

It is virtually impossible to kill a KT when playing against someone who knows what they are doing. With proper flank support, there is nothing...NOTHING in the allied arsenal that can penetrate it from the front from a range of 400+ meters

Hell yesterday me and another guy sent a train of ground attack on 1 KT believe 5 planes and all we did was make it fall back. After the tank fell back, I moved 2 2star fireflys out of cover from about 400-500m and every shot bounced. That is the RNG luck you have with Allies.

Hell im not calling for axis nerfs here and there. I enjoy the challenge playing allied. You kill a KT you feel like you have accomplished something.

But it really does suck when you expend all that effort into killing 1 KT, then...oh look...he just brought in another. FUBAR.