Hallsten: What good would it be in removing the province from the HRE, if the only you get from it is more money?
Money is a reward in itself, is it not? Aside from the money, however, the boni of being emperor should depend on the size of the HRE. Small HRE => weak emperor.Nikolai said:Hallsten: What good would it be in removing the province from the HRE, if the only you get from it is more money?
Fermor said:Nah trade is the only indicator of wealth as every EU2 player knows
Which, for most countries, is more realistic.5678 said:Only when human players are concerned. AI's wealth is usually determined by the number of provinces it owns.
Mork said:Something like a CB on any attackers of the HRE, unless the reciever of the CB is in the war against the state in the HRE itself.
Higher relation hit on any annexation inside the HRE towards the rest of the HRE.
Though this should probably not extent to neither Italy nor the low countries.
Hallsten said:I'd love to see the HRE turn into a more lively entity in EU3:
- When a new emperor going to be elected I'd love to see each elector being able to vote actively for any eligible prince.
- If a HRE member is annexed there should be two choices:
- Annex nation and assume electorship.
- Annex nation and remove it from the HRE. This should lead to, say, an increase in income, but would trigger a war with the emperor. This war would make it possible to bring back said province to the HRE.
Registered said:Which, for most countries, is more realistic.
AKjeldsen said:Generally, I think it's very important not to overstate the importance of the HRE. Already by 1453, it's much different from the classical high medieval Empire, and over the course of the EUIII period, it became more of a prestige concept and less of a political reality.
By this time, both the emperors and the electoral prince were depending more and more on their own states, which caused the Empire as such to decline in importance. So I definitely don't think the Emperor should have more power than he does in EUII, and even that may need to be scaled down a bit.
Everyone was united against France in that war.miloc said:at least it had the effect that it allowed all the principalities and entities of the HRE to survive until Napoleon. And they were pritty united against France in the Spanish war of succession, that's not nothing. And the HRE adds a lot of "flair" to the game, as long it doesn't turn into a playground for blobbs.
miloc said:The emperor should not be able to diplo-annex members of the HRE.
Why?
-because historically the emperor guaranteed their existence; swallowing up one of the member states would have resulted in the united resistance of the other states, since it would have endangered their independence.
-Concerning gameplay it would counterbalance the stronger position of the emperor it the suggestions above would be implemented.
and I don't think the election of the emperor was merely a matter of bribes; they rather chose someone they could trust; someone who wouldn't be a danger for their independence. With the Habsburgs they knew what they had. So its rather a bad-boy thing.
My 2 cts.
AKjeldsen said:Generally, I think it's very important not to overstate the importance of the HRE. Already by 1453, it's much different from the classical high medieval Empire, and over the course of the EUIII period, it became more of a prestige concept and less of a political reality.
By this time, both the emperors and the electoral prince were depending more and more on their own states, which caused the Empire as such to decline in importance. So I definitely don't think the Emperor should have more power than he does in EUII, and even that may need to be scaled down a bit.
AKjeldsen said:Generally, I think it's very important not to overstate the importance of the HRE. Already by 1453, it's much different from the classical high medieval Empire, and over the course of the EUIII period, it became more of a prestige concept and less of a political reality.
By this time, both the emperors and the electoral prince were depending more and more on their own states, which caused the Empire as such to decline in importance. So I definitely don't think the Emperor should have more power than he does in EUII, and even that may need to be scaled down a bit.
That's a really good idea.DukeWilleo1630 said:Why not have a dynamic HRE then? Events would occure at certain periods of the game where the HRE would lose powers. B/c, eventually, you have all out war in Germany. It would be great if the HRE lost ablilities over time. And maybe give the Emperor chances to save his powers, but at a cost.
5678 said:The HRE effectively thwarted any attempts by foreign powers to dominate Germany. That's a big deal. It wasn't until the end of Thiry Years War (200 years into the game) that the HRE actually became nothing more than a title. And even as a title, it was important enough that Napoleon didn't claim it, he dissolved it.
Mowers said:And thats the key here.
They did manage to, by and large, thwart attempts to control the HRE.
Why did that happen? When you know, build it into the model.
5678 said:Not sure I follow.
Stingray said:Most countries wealth was based on the amount of land they owned and could tax, not the amount of merchants or their trade.