HRE, protectorates and vassals

[ErikHeinrichs]

What will happen with indian vassals who are were released as HRE nations but the overlord (Ottoman) westernize? Will they still be vassals or will they turn into protectorates? Also if i release say Crimea so that it becomes a HRE nation will it be a vassal or a protectorate?

 

[Vard]

Crimea is a horde, shouldn't it be a protectorate anyway?

Not sure about your vassals though.

 

[ErikHeinrichs]

Crimea is a horde, shouldn't it be a protectorate anyway?

Not sure about your vassals though.

Yes Crimea is horde but it does not make any sense that a HRE nation can be a protectorate. Just one of the hundreds of flaws with the protectorate system i guess.

 

[Rosstafan]

well as long as they are a member of the HRE when you reform the empire they will be annexed, whether they are your vassal or not.

 

[ErikHeinrichs]

well as long as they are a member of the HRE when you reform the empire they will be annexed, whether they are your vassal or not.

I never take the last reform as the HRE vassal horde is far superior to have.

 

[CyberianK]

I am a noob with HRE:

can you tell me how to get Indians into the Holy Roman Empire?

 

[ErikHeinrichs]

I am a noob with HRE:

can you tell me how to get Indians into the Holy Roman Empire?

You can't get native americans into HRE (that i know of). But if you are referring to provinces in what is today India then you either:

1) vassalize nations, annex them, add provinces to HRE (need to convert provinces if not catholic, protestant, reformed or orthodox) and release them
2) take provinces through war, core them, convert, add them to HRE and release vassal

 

[CyberianK]

You can't get native americans into HRE (that i know of). But if you are referring to provinces in what is today India then you either:

1) vassalize nations, annex them, add provinces to HRE (need to convert provinces if not catholic, protestant, reformed or orthodox) and release them
2) take provinces through war, core them, convert, add them to HRE and release vassal

Thank you.

So in my current Ironman France game I am in 1570 and:

Have the following vassals:
England,
Portugal,
Aragon,
Styria,
Mecklenburg (Elector),
Saxony (Elector),
Palatinate (Elector),
Papal State (I am Papal Controller)
I am currently annexing Holland and Gallicia, Integrating Hungary which I got PU from Austrian Succession war and working on making Castille a vassel too
Bohemia is the current Emperor

I am not currently part of the HRE. I want to keep Castille, England and Portugal as vessels so not annex them because I want them to keep exploring and colonizing. In the future I want to add Norway as a vassal also.
So what strategy do you think I should follow in the east? Austria is pretty weak currently as are all central European powers. Only strong powers are Ottomans, Russia and Sweden. Brandenburg is medium strong but I am allied with them. (12/10 relations currently)

 

[ErikHeinrichs]

Thank you.

So in my current Ironman France game I am in 1570 and:

Have the following vassals:
England,
Portugal,
Aragon,
Styria,
Mecklenburg (Elector),
Saxony (Elector),
Palatinate (Elector),
Papal State (I am Papal Controller)
I am currently annexing Holland and Gallicia, Integrating Hungary which I got PU from Austrian Succession war and working on making Castille a vassel too
Bohemia is the current Emperor

I am not currently part of the HRE. I want to keep Castille, England and Portugal as vessels so not annex them because I want them to keep exploring and colonizing. In the future I want to add Norway as a vassal also.
So what strategy do you think I should follow in the east? Austria is pretty weak currently as are all central European powers. Only strong powers are Ottomans, Russia and Sweden. Brandenburg is medium strong but I am allied with them. (12/10 relations currently)

When the reform called "erbkaisertum" is passed all HRE vassals under the emperor are free of relationship slots. So what i would do is become emperor and pass reforms until erbkaisertum (i always go to revoke the privilegia). Russia can be quite boring and tedious to break up if they have colonized much and disappeared nations such as Novgorod and their cores have also disappeared. Ottomans have quite a few Byzantium cores that you can take advantage of (if not too late already).

Do note that if you have a royal marriage or any other kind of diplomatic relationship with a HRE vassal then they will take a relationship slot.

 

[CyberianK]

When the reform called "erbkaisertum" is passed all HRE vassals under the emperor are free of relationship slots. So what i would do is become emperor and pass reforms until erbkaisertum (i always go to revoke the privilegia). Russia can be quite boring and tedious to break up if they have colonized much and disappeared nations such as Novgorod and their cores have also disappeared. Ottomans have quite a few Byzantium cores that you can take advantage of (if not too late already).

Thanks, so I can DOW on Bohemia, vassalize/occupy them and immediately become Emperor cause I have 4 Electors vassalized then?
Will the whole HRE DOW on me if I DOW on the Emperor or will nations like Brandenburg honor their alliance with me?

Do note that if you have a royal marriage or any other kind of diplomatic relationship with a HRE vassal then they will take a relationship slot.

Yes, thanks I will break them freely though with Papal Controller and I have full Diplo too.

I might wait a few years though and first do a pre-emptive strike against Russia and Ottomans so they don't become too powerful. I think there are still Byzantium/Novgorod Cores. Also those French wars of religion should fire after 1550 but they haven't for 20 years now.

 

[ErikHeinrichs]

Thanks, so I can DOW on Bohemia, vassalize/occupy them and immediately become Emperor cause I have 4 Electors vassalized then?
Will the whole HRE DOW on me if I DOW on the Emperor or will nations like Brandenburg honor their alliance with me?

You'll become the emperor if you get more votes than Bohemia when the current emperor dies. If say Bohemia has say 3 votes and you have 3 votes then Bohemia will become emperor again. And i doubt you can vassalize Bohemia as they always have too much base tax. Basicly only Bohemias allies will join Bohemias side. If Brandenburg is allied with both of you he will join the defensive side (Bohemia).

 

[CyberianK]

You'll become the emperor if you get more votes than Bohemia when the current emperor dies. If say Bohemia has say 3 votes and you have 3 votes then Bohemia will become emperor again. And i doubt you can vassalize Bohemia as they always have too much base tax. Basicly only Bohemias allies will join Bohemias side. If Brandenburg is allied with both of you he will join the defensive side (Bohemia).

Thanks for that info. I think I will do two wars anyway. First war to break off some lands and eliminate some treaties, second war after the truce to vassalize him. Also that way I have some time during the truce to restore Byzantium and Novgorod.