HRE eagle icon is MIA (Praise be)

[Mudcrab]

This question has been dug up almost verbatim from another recent thread where it was buried, unloved and unmourned.

Q: In the Gamersgate screenies for the new Muslim advisors DLC, the accursed HRE eagle icon thing is missing in some of them (bottom right of screen) but not in others. Does this mean the thing is to-be/will-be toggle-able if one chooses in the next patch?

Fingers absolutely crossed - that damn thing is simply immersion breaking when playing for a country that has nowt to do with HRE, like Amerindians and what have you.

 

[delpiero1234]

Could you post some pics or at least links?

 

[Mudcrab]

Could you post some pics or at least links?

http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DLC-EU4MAP/europa-universalis-iv-muslim-advisor-portraits

Having now experimented a bit with EU IV, the Amerindians lose the HRE icon (or never had it?), the Chinese get their faction icon -but as you can see by the screenies linked above, playing as certain Muslim nations, i.e. with Mamluks you see it, with Timurids you don't. From an RP perspective, why would Mamluks give a desert fig about the HRE?

Looking for consistency here.

 

[delpiero1234]

http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DLC-EU4MAP/europa-universalis-iv-muslim-advisor-portraits


Looking for consistency here.

Judging from the screenshots Horde nations do not see the icon anymore but other nations do.

 

[Ringir]

look at the map:
no eagle ---> hre isn't discovered yet
eagle ---> hre is discovered

 

[PedroVargas]

Which makes sense because even as a Muslim nation, it's nice to know how far the HRE unification has progressed. Eagle forever

 

[justin6477]

Eagle forever

No. The only place for the eagle is to be scalded in hellfire.

[video=youtube_share;kw4bGBDKrPs]http://youtu.be/kw4bGBDKrPs?t=2m19s[/video]

 

[Mudcrab]

look at the map:
no eagle ---> hre isn't discovered yet
eagle ---> hre is discovered

This makes sense, thank you. And yet doesn't. Why would such an alien, irrelevant institution be of interest to Mamluks? Why does PDS wish to ruin my immersion? Why is this game still HRE-centric?

Why?

*sobs*

 

[Mudcrab]

No. The only place for the eagle is to be scalded in hellfire.

Yes.

 

[Dabrowski]

They should just add a toggle feature, I hate seeing the icon when I'm playing a nation far removed from Europe. The HRE is already the "solution" to far too many problems in EU4, don't make me see it anymore than absolutely necessary! Unrelated note: it seems they still haven't planned on fixing Uzbek's cores at 1444 start, judging from the Muslim portraits DLC screenshot. I doubt any new information about EU4 will come via DLC screenshots, although if the Paradox devs take the screenshots themselves, we could get a sneak peak at the internal build that only they get to play :laugh:, but I doubt it highly.

 

[hwoosh]

This makes sense, thank you. And yet doesn't. Why would such an alien, irrelevant institution be of interest to Mamluks? Why does PDS wish to ruin my immersion? Why is this game still HRE-centric?

Why?

*sobs*

The information does need to be accessible somewhere if you have discovered the HRE. Obvious solution, if you don't want the icon, is to relegate it to the ledger.

 

[Mudcrab]

They should just add a toggle feature, I hate seeing the icon when I'm playing a nation far removed from Europe. The HRE is already the "solution" to far too many problems in EU4, don't make me see it anymore than absolutely necessary!

Agreed, a toggle. Play any country or tribe you like but we're going to rub the HRE in your face because ... legacy? What? I really can't make sense of it.

The information does need to be accessible somewhere if you have discovered the HRE. Obvious solution, if you don't want the icon, is to relegate it to the ledger.

Apologies, but why exactly is it required that a discovery of the blessed HRE should matter so much, so much that it becomes part of the UI? Not trying to be obtuse here, I am genuinely curious. And how does one relegate an icon to the ledger? Thanks.

 

[Ivashanko]

Has Paradox ever had an option for toggling part of the UI on or off? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Mudcrab]

Yea, the + or - 'buttons' will hide certain elements in CK2, EU etc UI. Guess that counts as a toggle.

 

[hwoosh]

Apologies, but why exactly is it required that a discovery of the blessed HRE should matter so much, so much that it becomes part of the UI? Not trying to be obtuse here, I am genuinely curious. And how does one relegate an icon to the ledger? Thanks.

I didn't say that discovery of the HRE meant you needed the icon, I said that discovery of the HRE meant you needed access to the information. And if you really thought I was saying the icon, and only the icon, should be relegated to the ledger (what would that even mean?), then stop being obtuse: obviously I was saying the information should be in the ledger, so that the UI icon could disappear if not wanted.

 

[Mudcrab]

I didn't say that discovery of the HRE meant you needed the icon, I said that discovery of the HRE meant you needed access to the information.

Why? I don't want utterly irrelevant info rammed down me throat as part of the UI design. I want no icon nor info if I RP a nation who could not care less about the godforsaken HRE, having met their components or not. It just seems arbitrary.

Anyway, toggle. I wish you, sir, a good evening.

 

[EmperorTojo]

This really seems pointless, sorry. There's still the religious cross icon, or the general sense of european interface. It'd be pretty immersive and awesome if different cultures/religions had different interfaces like CK2 though.

 

[aitaituo]

Without the icon you can't dismantle the HRE, see how many reforms the Emperor has passed, or know what buffs the Emperor is getting from member states.

Personally, I wish non-Catholics could see the Curia screen, so that you could know what cardinal bonuses Catholics are getting, and non-Ming could see the faction screen, so you can know which faction is in power, and see the country modifiers for nations other than your own.

 

[unmerged(465279)]

How is it immersion breaking? Just because youre Chinese doesn't mean the HRE doesn't exist

 

[hwoosh]

Why? I don't want utterly irrelevant info rammed down me throat as part of the UI design. I want no icon nor info if I RP a nation who could not care less about the godforsaken HRE, having met their components or not. It just seems arbitrary.

Can you read? Putting the HRE info in the ledger and removing the icon is removing it from the UI design. The ledger is there because part of the design philosophy of the game qua grand strategy is transparency. Why do you think we can see the factors of the AI's opinion of us? Why do you think we have a trade goods ledger page that tells us the location of all the provinces producing any given trade good? Why does the ledger break down the armies, navies, manpower, and treasury of every other country we have discovered?

OK, so remember there's an option to disable the ledger in multiplayer if a group wants to do that. Great. That's a compromise among user preferences and cleanliness of the UI and transparency of game mechanic information. A compromise that is oh wait exactly like the one I proposed. And the "toggle" option that you're championing is perfectly compatible with what I said. What the hell is this pigheaded contrarianism of yours?