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makaramus

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Why there is no way to create full orthodox empire(by full I mean it. not religius peace)
Restoring schism should make it possible to have orthodox HRE :)

also Why the hell not allowing catholic country to change orthadox after schism restored? :/
 

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Yeah, there could be more debt put into Mending the Great Schism. In CK2 it is a world wide event. Allowing the creation of Orthodox HRE is probably not the way to go, but allowing conversion catholic -> orthodox via religious screen and adding some modifer for catholic or orthodox countries would be welcome.
 

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Yeah, there could be more debt put into Mending the Great Schism. In CK2 it is a world wide event. Allowing the creation of Orthodox HRE is probably not the way to go, but allowing conversion catholic -> orthodox via religious screen and adding some modifer for catholic or orthodox countries would be welcome.
so here is the idea: if orthodox country mend schism then all catholic country will get event + there will be short living orthodox center of reformation. iberian culture region will never accept it.
if most of hre convert to orthodox then emperor will be forced to convert too.
 

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Well the schism happened in 1054. EU4 starts in 1444 and the reformation happens in the early 16th century. Point is, Christianity had changed so much by that point that mending the schism likely wouldn't have had much effect. You can also look at the Council of Ferrara-Florence in 1439 (which led to the Laetentur Caeli, the papal bull), just before the EU4 start date. Emperor John VIII Palaiologos sought reconciliation with the western church as a means to provide diplomatic opportunities to get protection from the Turks. The treaty was signed and everything seemed good, but after the council the eastern bishops found that the general population and local authorities did not accept the unification, so the schism remained.

All of this is to say that mending the schism in EU4 through means of conquest probably wouldn't have had too much effect on the catholic and protestant nations. It might even aggravate the catholics, and the pope would just relocate to some other part of Europe (like the Avignon papacy in the 14th century). Or they would follow the in-game event where papacy is disabled and everyone is just ok with it. Maybe just a single event triggered by the restoration of the pentarchy that gives all catholic nations the choice to convert to orthodoxy. AI would be 80% weighted to remain Catholic. Staying Catholic gives a malus opinion with orthodox nations and maybe a small hit to prestige or something. Converting to Orthodoxy would give a few years of national unrest, but also boosted missionary strength (like protestant nations when they convert) and a temporary boost to relations with orthodox nations.

Basically I don't think mending the schism would have too serious of an effect in the era of EU4.
 

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Well the schism happened in 1054. EU4 starts in 1444 and the reformation happens in the early 16th century. Point is, Christianity had changed so much by that point that mending the schism likely wouldn't have had much effect. You can also look at the Council of Ferrara-Florence in 1439 (which led to the Laetentur Caeli, the papal bull), just before the EU4 start date. Emperor John VIII Palaiologos sought reconciliation with the western church as a means to provide diplomatic opportunities to get protection from the Turks. The treaty was signed and everything seemed good, but after the council the eastern bishops found that the general population and local authorities did not accept the unification, so the schism remained.

All of this is to say that mending the schism in EU4 through means of conquest probably wouldn't have had too much effect on the catholic and protestant nations. It might even aggravate the catholics, and the pope would just relocate to some other part of Europe (like the Avignon papacy in the 14th century). Or they would follow the in-game event where papacy is disabled and everyone is just ok with it. Maybe just a single event triggered by the restoration of the pentarchy that gives all catholic nations the choice to convert to orthodoxy. AI would be 80% weighted to remain Catholic. Staying Catholic gives a malus opinion with orthodox nations and maybe a small hit to prestige or something. Converting to Orthodoxy would give a few years of national unrest, but also boosted missionary strength (like protestant nations when they convert) and a temporary boost to relations with orthodox nations.

Basically I don't think mending the schism would have too serious of an effect in the era of EU4.
if it wont have too much effect why mending schism simply removing papal bonuses and making catholic religion simply worst thing forever(it simply becomes -1 tolerance to heretics :D)
it is there and it simply saying "this thing is strong" but leaving many things open too :/
ok here is another suggestion then:
with schism there will be event to change orthodox for christians.
ai will pick this %30 chance never if in iberia
All orthodox countries will gain Force religion casus belli on any non orthodox christian nation and can force them to change their religion. hre can become orthodox if all electors are orthodox