How you play? (with Ironman or without Ironman)

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The easiest achievement in the game is to get a Royal Marriage, and according to Steam 19,8% of EU4 players have it. Given that usually around 80% of people that have bought a game have played it, based on looking at various games' achievement statistics, I would say that one in three EU4 players do Ironman.
Not everyone who has at least one achievement plays Ironman regularly. As you say, some achievements you can get within five minutes of start. Some sad people (like me) will do that just to nab the easy achievements.

Otherwise, I mostly stay away from Ironman. I don't see the game as a challenge or a puzzle to be cracked, I see it as a tool that helps me craft a narrative in my head. I also use to to correct absent-minded mistakes. So for example if I absently declare war then immediately realize that I forgot to forge some claim first, or if I pick an idea group then realize "actually, I think I prefer the other one", I will reload.

I also like playing without Lucky Nations, and some tweaks are not Ironman-compatible - for example, enabling COLOR_WASTELANDS in defines.lua disallows Ironman.

Not because something went wrong, but because I want to play a "different" game, so instead of taking a military idea in 1500 and slugging it out in Europe, I'll grab exploration and colonize instead. Or I'll stay catholic and keep being buddies with Austria instead of going Protestant and becoming their rival.
I do this as well! Sometimes you just want to skip the initial preparation and set up phase and start right when there's a chance for a real divergence.

Sometimes an interesting situation also pops up in another part of the world. Like in my current game the Pope has annexed the whole Italian Peninsula up to about the Po River, though Sicilian nationalists subsequently took southern Italy away from him. I'm seriously considering loading up the Papal States when they still had the whole peninsula to see if I can hold on to it.
 

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i only play iron man. Not because of chieves, but because of no save scumming.
 

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i usually play ironman for the better chance it saves if something happens, in case it crashed.

as of now though, im off ironman, because i move the start date up to 1470 so that korea has dip3 (because starting a game with your country having a below 3 dip tech creates a bug for ship templates.)
 

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i have try cheating to see what was possible.

literally the only thing i wanted to do isnt. ( wanted to cheat westernize ming and see how strong it would be without the bad modifiers.)

every time i cheat, it ends up making the game very boring before its anywhere near the end of the timeline though.
 

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If im playing just for fun and looking for some wacky stuff to happen. I do it without ironman and lucky nations either off or set to random.
Of course i only do ironman when going for specific achievements or for a challenge since Lucky France poses a good challenge
 

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i have try cheating to see what was possible.

literally the only thing i wanted to do isnt. ( wanted to cheat westernize ming and see how strong it would be without the bad modifiers.)

every time i cheat, it ends up making the game very boring before its anywhere near the end of the timeline though.

Of course you can. Use the integrate command as Ming on some OPM to get a core in Europe, then add gobs of monarch points to a neighboring nation...though you'd still have to sit through westernization on speed 5, it shouldn't be hard with infinite military points for harsh treatment.

Anyway, in 1.7 I was able to finish westernization as Ming in 1511 using ironman-compatible settings and no reloads. Most likely, 1.8 would be similar.
 

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I only ironman for achievements. You can turn on monthly auto-saves in normal mode if you want that. And you can still cheat your heart out or reload saves in ironman, if you care enough to do that. Besides, sometimes AI bonuses aren't enough. You need to be able to tag swap to the AI to help them out every once in a while
 

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Ironman only

1) To prevent save-scumming
2) Achievements
3) I loved Ironman off-road racing
 

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Never play with Ironman. The whole point of the game is to ask "what if?" and I do, often. Then I reload... ;)
 

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I play Ironman, mostly for the achievements (they work as goals I work towards, which I find more fun than just trying to conquer the world). I would probably play Ironman regardless, though, as it's more difficult and makes your decisions matter more.
 

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Personally I don't see the appeal in ironman.

Especially shortly after the release of new dlc, where I still struggle with the mechanics and want to try stuff out without consequences because I genuinely oftentimes don't know how stuff will play out mechanics-wise.

Only reason I ever use it is achievements. Then I notice how much I hate lucky nations.
 

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I never played Ironman. I prefer PC games because of their moddability and if mods are to prevent me from playing Ironman or getting achievements, then so be it.

Maybe in the future when I want to get achievements, but as of now, no.